Sno*Drift recap ?

i remember the days of old where you could watch day1 and day2 recap videos on youtube...c'mon rally america - where is the video ?? atleast FY Racing has some great video on testing before the rally.

what's the low-down, down-low, on kenny's wheels ? they look odd.

They have quick change covers so they can make them any pastel color for their fans viewing pleasure?

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Who knows. I would just wish there were results in a comprehensible format, but Foggy junior is too busy leveraging media potentialities that I understand why they can't waste time on basics of things like what happened..

Anybody figured out their new "Who cares if you DNF and miss 3-4 stages, you can still beat people who did the full distance" program?

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The wheels have a quick release plate that keeps snow from being packed into the lug nuts. I saw the same thing on most of teh top cars in Sweden last year.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

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I would just wish there were results in a comprehensible format, but Foggy junior is too busy leveraging media potentialities that I understand why they can't waste time on basics of things like what happened.

Agreed. Sorting out stage times vs. overall times is frustratingly difficult and not fixed by their redesign of the site. (which generally looks good but is impossible to meaningfully navigate)

That said - the 'basics' would be providing timing and scoring to the teams and people at the event. Getting information out to the people not at the event is 'public relations' and/or marketing and should be weighed in terms of return on investment.

Same day youtube recaps - of a reasonable quality - are expensive and infrastructure dependant.

Someone on the other site is calling for 'RallyRadio now...' the costs and logistics of doing that are insane! (low six figures for a season, IF you have the ability to feed the information needed to the 'radio' talent. (live stage times/standings - splits in the stage - cars stopping on stage as they stop - enough time built into the transits to accomodate a stage end interview, tough with FIA's ATC to ATC timing)

Yes, everything can be done on a shoestring budget of a fraction of 'real' budget costs, and possibly at a similar quality given the right motivation, but not sustainably.

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Anybody figured out their new "Who cares if you DNF and miss 3-4 stages, you can still beat people who did the full distance" program?

A great thing for the low budget team. If they have a problem on day one they can get back in the race and maybe still get some points, adn definately get some seat time, after towing across the country and having a problem on day 1. As we know, when the WRC implemented SupeRally a similar thing happened with Loeb at the first event it happened at, but I think he clawed back to the podium (but can't be bothered to look it up.)
It is available to everyone, I don't think the penalty for missing a stage is harsh enough (based on the fastest car though the stage then adding a time penalty.)

Yes, super rally kicks at the corpse of 'rally tradition.'
IFyou accept the idea, not saying anyone will or should, I don't think anyone should be able to beat anyone who had a clean run on the stages. (anyone in class? anyone in type [4wd/2wd]) CARS has been struggling with a way to let the unfortunate continue in events. We've seen several people tow ~8,000km and DNF on one of the first few stages of a two day event and they are the ones asking for it. Finding a method that allows it with adequite penalty and doesn't add pressure to recovery teams and organisers is difficult.

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I would just wish there were results in a comprehensible format, but Foggy junior is too busy leveraging media potentialities that I understand why they can't waste time on basics of things like what happened.

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Agreed. Sorting out stage times vs. overall times is frustratingly difficult and not fixed by their redesign of the site. (which generally looks good but is impossible to meaningfully navigate)

That said - the 'basics' would be providing timing and scoring to the teams and people at the event. Getting information out to the people not at the event is 'public relations' and/or marketing and should be weighed in terms of return on investment.

Of course on event info is No1 Priority. But this is 2013.
It should go without saying that many thousands of small events all over the world have managed to be organsied enough to have reasonably quick and clear results for more than a decade. It's not like there's a shortage of computer-nerd types anywhere.
And it should also go without saying, except it's too glaring, thet the big talk RallyAmericar does about being "THE Premier Rally Series" looks pretty gawddamn silly when they can never even bother to do who thousands of smaller events worldwide have done acceptably for so long..

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Same day youtube recaps - of a reasonable quality - are expensive and infrastructure dependant.

Yeah far less miffed about that.

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Someone on the other site is calling for 'RallyRadio now...' the costs and logistics of doing that are insane! (low six figures for a season, IF you have the ability to feed the information needed to the 'radio' talent. (live stage times/standings - splits in the stage - cars stopping on stage as they stop - enough time built into the transits to accomodate a stage end interview, tough with FIA's ATC to ATC timing)

Agreed, more icing on the cake but we'll survive without it...

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Anybody figured out their new "Who cares if you DNF and miss 3-4 stages, you can still beat people who did the full distance" program?

A great thing for the low budget team. If they have a problem on day one they can get back in the race and maybe still get some points, adn definately get some seat time, after towing across the country and having a problem on day 1. As we know, when the WRC implemented SupeRally a similar thing happened with Loeb at the first event it happened at, but I think he clawed back to the podium (but can't be bothered to look it up.)
It is available to everyone, I don't think the penalty for missing a stage is harsh enough (based on the fastest car though the stage then adding a time penalty.)

Yes, super rally kicks at the corpse of 'rally tradition.'
IFyou accept the idea, not saying anyone will or should, I don't think anyone should be able to beat anyone who had a clean run on the stages. (anyone in class? anyone in type [4wd/2wd]) CARS has been struggling with a way to let the unfortunate continue in events. We've seen several people tow ~8,000km and DNF on one of the first few stages of a two day event and they are the ones asking for it. Finding a method that allows it with adequite penalty and doesn't add pressure to recovery teams and organisers is difficult.

Oh I'm familar with the heartbreak of a long tow and a early screw up sucking great green donkey dicks, but maybe the "time penalty" needs to be a bit bigger so that those who miss 5 stages don't beat anybody who did the full event...
Maybe a Speed Factor based penalty.
Something so people can get some fun, and some honor, but not points...

Years ago down here under SCCA there was some stupid thing that you got 2 National points just for entering.. There was a guy who had maybe 1 finish and 9 DNFs so 20 points at years end..did nothing the whole year in other words--except tow and DNF..
He finished like 2nd in the class as nearly everybody else had only done 2-3 events so one win was 17 pts, this guy "beat" them in the season points..

Nothing should never beat "something".

And yeah its good the clubbie/privateer/non-rich-guys can have some fun, but it is the Rich Guys with their giant service crews and service rigs that can have the biggest chance to repair their blunders and get going again..
The rich will always take advanage of everything the most---except Sportsmanship.

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I offered daily coverage for 8k per event for video.

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I offered daily coverage for 8k per event for video.

A deal at twice the price.

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This race is in my back yard (ish?) And i missed it because i thought it was next month. Wasn't it in February last year?

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As far as superally, low budget teams will likely be doing regionals where superally doesn't really apply. They can re enter in the second regional. It's just a way to keep their 3-5 national teams, the only ones they seem to care about, in the rally. And baseing penalties on the FASTEST time in class doesn't put them too far out of contention for a top spot. I mean 3-5 min, isn't that the usual gap from the top teams back to the real privateers?? Gotta keep the top teams on top...

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This race rally is in my back yard (ish?) And i missed it because i thought it was next month. Wasn't it in February last year?

wait it's not February now?

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This race is in my back yard (ish?) And i missed it because i thought it was next month. Wasn't it in February last year?

obviously you haven't grasped the meta-message so succinctly synthesized on Foggy Facepook. The main message was, and I paraphrasing slightly they're too busy to care about any pre event publicity because they're busy:

"envisioneering seamless synergistic infomediaries, RA will integrate, mesh, and leverage, innovative
intuitive integrated interactive functionalities to morph user-centric world-class media and unleash viral deliverables and thereby monetizing the viewing portal methodologies"

And we're all going to be fabulously wealthy.

An dat sheeut don't happen overnight, broseph!

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You are quite proud of your words that you made up aren't you? Considering you copy-pasted that exact same post replying to someone else on SS.com

Though I will agree, the coverage is terrible, and it is amazing that they can't get stage times online quickly. Do wish they had the live streaming again. I know my parents enjoyed having it on in the background at their house while I was racing. It let them keep up with what I am doing even though they couldn't be there.

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You are quite proud of your words that you made up aren't you? Considering you copy-pasted that exact same post replying to someone else on SS.com

Though I will agree, the coverage is terrible, and it is amazing that they can't get stage times online quickly. Do wish they had the live streaming again. I know my parents enjoyed having it on in the background at their house while I was racing. It let them keep up with what I am doing even though they couldn't be there.

No Matt, I'm not proud of those words, I'm fed up that yet another time hundreds of people are duped by some single or coterie of people who babble shit like that like some people breathe.....that took me a lot of effort to find those imbecilic words.
And I'm fed up that a minor part of the sport is way more influential than it should be, and that minor administrative part is in the hands of obvious incompetents.
When i wrote it I thought it did such an excellent job at capturing the essence of the drivel the little child FoggyJr was scibbling on his MYFACE page I wanted to share it with friends..

Something wrong with that Matt?
Something so wrong you have to make a comment?

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