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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 01, 2013 04:05PM
I dont need a run down just seems silly to wast money on buying a crank
that already comes in the latter fords, rods pistons and head job is that not
more than enough? and save the bucks. or just get the car running as stock
everything and go have fun.



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 01, 2013 04:46PM
Looks like ill be running a stock 2.3 ranger crank and toss some eagle rods and cp pistons in it. stock head and cam in the meantime. spending money on the foundation for now. Can go nuts with it later.
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 01, 2013 05:47PM
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I dont need a run down just seems silly to wast money on buying a crank
that already comes in the latter fords, rods pistons and head job is that not
more than enough? and save the bucks. or just get the car running as stock
everything and go have fun.

He asked for hypothetical. Opinions. Thoughts. I never give a 'run down' unless someone jumps on my shit for sharing my opinion when asked for and uses false info in an attempt to talk down to me or others. Not a single dollar wasted on parts here. And did they just start using steel instead of a one-piece cast crankshaft in the Ford applications? Ford doesn't seem to agree with your wide statement of a forged crank "in the latter fords".

He's got money to burn at the moment. He wanted thoughts. This site has taught me that while forged is more, it is alot more forgiving of youthful mistakes. And that the smaller the bores, the more reliably the block can handle forced induction pressure. Whether or not he gets out and rallies or just putzes in the street... he won't be able to say he didn't know about other options. You make some neat stuff Wil... just "stop with the internals judgement and bla bla bla". I hope your health continues to improve.

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Looks like ill be running a stock 2.3 ranger crank and toss some eagle rods and cp pistons in it. stock head and cam in the meantime. spending money on the foundation for now. Can go nuts with it later.

Huzzah! Don't forget the balance shaft delete unless you use a ranger block as well. Now do your cage whilst you dream of duratecs. And suspension stuff. Have you bought the book from amazon on the xrat yet?



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 01, 2013 05:58PM
yep. I have "How to prepare the sierra for motorsport" two copies. one is for use.. the other is for the shelf. winking smiley

I already have jvab struts, Im going Supra diff, rear suspension needs coilovers but I have nice bushings everywhere. I have turbopoop rear brakes and Es-Vee-Tee Cuntour rotors with PBR calipers up front. Not impressive, but better than stock. I have all kinds of other random goodies too, including a V8 T5.
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 01, 2013 10:24PM
Let me clarify in case it was lost in translation. This is a street car, that will have SOME rally specific components installed.
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 02, 2013 01:55AM
really would like to see a worthwhile bell housing for the duratec to T5



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 02, 2013 10:59AM
They already make them. SBF bellhousings with an adapter plate. most cost effective thing going!
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 04, 2013 09:35PM
I was told by a open wheel builder that the latter model 2.0 where all forged cranks.
all fords v6 for a fact are i have mixed alot of the v6 info in my head. I like the idea
v6 personaly more bosted non bosted never have to take it apart or anything and
get more than enough power.

I did not mean to sound like a Cock im just bitter i help people every day finish or
start there projects and i dont have time to make my go fast car. so working out
a way to have the power i want drop in with out putting a built motor in sounds sooo
good to me.

also I wrote a bell housing guys in UK and they all have ford t5 patterns because the cosworth box and said little extra would go one for t5 and the extange rate is not
bad right now.

street car forged would be nice so you can get some rpm and alow to make up
bad shifts and mild gear ratio gaps even in the v8 t5.



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 04, 2013 10:19PM
Ive thought of the Mustang V6 and trans. It is mighty tempting, but not quite inexpensive enough for me yet. If I was going to install a v something in there, it might be a V8 (LS-something..) just for the cost per performance ratio(and sound..) I personally chose the 4 cylinder Duratec because it simply fits the car's personality better in my opinion.

Also, where are these T5 bellhousings you are speaking of that fit the duratec? Ive searched high and low myself.

As for my T5 its out of a 94 Mustang GT. Im hoping I can get the stock bellhousing to work with my tunnel so the shifter is farther back.
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 01:43AM
The rally worx, orange rental Capri has a cosworth built 2.3 duratec , running a t5.. I think it's a t5world class..Not sure where Matt sourced the parts to link it up...I suppose I could ask him... It makes 220-250 hp... And revs to 9k.. It's the one mike hurst rents and had at LSPR



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 01:45AM
The rallyworx, orange rental Capri has a cosworth built 2.3 duratec , running a t5.. I think it's a t5world class..Not sure where Matt sourced the parts to link it up...I suppose I could ask him... It makes 220-250 hp... And revs to 9k.. It's the one mike hurst rents and had at LSPR.



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 09:15AM
John vanlandingham would be where capri stuff ties back to. Quad4rods and gearboxman parts if I recall. Quad4 is near my shop.



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 10:20AM
Quad 4 rods. They make an ok product.. BUT it cost $500. Then you STILL have to knock a hole in the thing, and come up with your own clutch release setup. Additionally you STILL do not have the ability to install a SFI approved bell housing (or something equally as safe).

I think the Mustang V6 may be the next swap motor for some unspecified car, that I dont own yet once it gets cheap enough(which shouldnt take long...it is after all..ONLY a weak V6....compared to the V8 anyways.)
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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 04:00PM
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Quad 4 rods. They make an ok product.. BUT it cost $500. Then you STILL have to knock a hole in the thing, and come up with your own clutch release setup. Additionally you STILL do not have the ability to install a SFI approved bell housing (or something equally as safe).

Wha!!! SFI approved bell housing? The idea of that disgusts me.

They make an ok product but it also happens to be the only product I've seen end up in running and driving vehicles and available for order and tested a proven. (see aforementioned Capri)

Maybe the design is intentional. If you can't fabricate a clutch release setup you don't possess the skills to fabricate the other components required to make a RWD Duratec powered vehicle? smiling smiley



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Re: Building a Turbo Duratec. 2.0 or 2.3?
March 05, 2013 04:45PM
http://www.rwdmotorsport.com/
i emailed them a wile back about making it fit the ford t5 they have there
and they said it would not be a big deal i dono if that means big deal if
you order 5 or 10 of them i dont know. but they are around 260 us right now
for a bell housing.

the v6 i speak of is in the same family as the mustang but its the 3.5 out of
everything else and its sooooooo cheap
there are 2600 on car part just from the edge mkz and taurus.
they all make 310 tuned with all stock componets intake cast headers.
the only hard part would be the water passage in the back of the motor
i plated mine and going to weld a bung going out the side. not trying to push the
just some info of what its in and what not the only thing i dont like about it
is the waterpump is inturnal eye rolling smiley stupid to me but the cost of another motor
is less than the price of getting a water pump put in any new car hahaha.
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