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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 01:31PM
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3 cars at 3000 pounds each is 9000 pounds... one of those 3 car trailers is minimum 3500 pounds (more like 4500+ as my father's 5th wheel 20' goose is 4500). So you are at 13,500. Add in another 1500 pounds of bodies (people plus their gear if we are talking 5 people), we're talking three cars, so a minimum of 500 pounds of spares/tools (more than that honestly) I don't know what kind of road regulations you need to follow, but even with the highest tow rating dually diesel, you are getting close to what they will stop allowing around here in private vehicle.

Good point about the weights. BMWs need some more weight reduction. I think mine would be right about 2700 in rally trim. Not sure about weight limits around here, but we can't run the 6-cyl BMWs in Canada anyways. hot smiley (I think that's where you're from?)


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You said it right a long time ago: this is too much organisational nightmare to get 3 people to all commit, all be ready, all be ON TIME and all divvy up all the costs..

Smaller is better... simple is better...
LIGHTER is better.

Convoy....

Yep, but when some folks burn $$ that could be spent on shared towing expenses to have a nice new truck and then take 2 years away from rallying, looking at 2-car options as new folks come into the sport start to make sense. Now that we'll have 4 BMWs based out of Denver (possibly 1 as a rally rental), the 2 car thing for longer hauls seems to start making some sense (as opposed to non-sense). Remember that currently we're ~1000 miles from the closest rallies. Agree 100% that if we were in the PNW with events all over the place this wouldn't make any sense.

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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 01:38PM
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There is also the cost of insurance, tags. And then you need somewhere to park the flipping land yacht. That said I wish I had the funds and a REALLY good excuse to convince the wife we need that hauler in our fleet.smiling smiley The whole we can use it for camping too just isn't working. SHucks.

For that red box truck...

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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:04PM
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Good point about the weights. BMWs need some more weight reduction. I think mine would be right about 2700 in rally trim. Not sure about weight limits around here, but we can't run the 6-cyl BMWs in Canada anyways. hot smiley (I think that's where you're from?)

winking smiley

It's just something to consider. It would seem to me that limiting your clientel to cars under 3000 pounds seems a bit of a ridiculous notion. I just pointed out a way (based on a trailer that is unrealistically light) to basically max the GVW of the rootinest tootinest 1 ton dually out there, and it's a pretty basic formula.

I still don't think 3 cars is worth it. Hell, if I could go with somebody to all of the national events in Canada, my costs would basically be cut in half. THAT is worth it. A 3rd car just makes everything sooo complex.
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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:30PM
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3 cars at 3000 pounds each is 9000 pounds... one of those 3 car trailers is minimum 3500 pounds (more like 4500+ as my father's 5th wheel 20' goose is 4500). So you are at 13,500. Add in another 1500 pounds of bodies (people plus their gear if we are talking 5 people), we're talking three cars, so a minimum of 500 pounds of spares/tools (more than that honestly) I don't know what kind of road regulations you need to follow, but even with the highest tow rating dually diesel, you are getting close to what they will stop allowing around here in private vehicle.

Good point about the weights. BMWs need some more weight reduction. I think mine would be right about 2700 in rally trim. Not sure about weight limits around here, but we can't run the 6-cyl BMWs in Canada anyways. hot smiley (I think that's where you're from?)


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You said it right a long time ago: this is too much organisational nightmare to get 3 people to all commit, all be ready, all be ON TIME and all divvy up all the costs..

Smaller is better... simple is better...
LIGHTER is better.

Convoy....

Yep, but when some folks burn $$ that could be spent on shared towing expenses to have a nice new truck and then take 2 years away from rallying, looking at 2-car options as new folks come into the sport start to make sense. Now that we'll have 4 BMWs based out of Denver (possibly 1 as a rally rental), the 2 car thing for longer hauls seems to start making some sense (as opposed to non-sense). Remember that currently we're ~1000 miles from the closest rallies. Agree 100% that if we were in the PNW with events all over the place this wouldn't make any sense.

Dave

Nobody who really wants to rally and get miles in SS would be so silly as to do what I highlighted...
The tow truck is even more of a tool than the rally car is a tool and only a fool wastes money --that could go to gas/entries/parts---on a "nice new truck"...



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:34PM
Yeah, but it happens ALL the time.



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:36PM
He was silly enough to order shocks that weren't green too.

Guess I shouldn't talk being that I'm into the 3rd year of ownership on my BMW and still haven't had it to a proper rally.

Sent an email to that funky trailer company to see what the prices actually are on the 2 and 3 car units. I'm sure its more than I'll be willing to spend. Hell, even if we don't get 2 people to get their act together for a rally, if I can get the 4-cyl Compact built we'll have a rad recce car on green boingers!

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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:41PM
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...but we can't run the 6-cyl BMWs in Canada anyways. hot smiley
Except that you can... anyone who says you can't either doesn't know what they are talking about or is actively misrepresenting the situation.



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:43PM
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...but we can't run the 6-cyl BMWs in Canada anyways. hot smiley
Except that you can... anyone who says you can't either doesn't know what they are talking about or is actively misrepresenting the situation.

See bouncy fireball smiley face. smiling smiley Yes we can run them for now in the regional classes and even in the future after being up-classed (nationals only, right?) they can still be run, but not in an appropriate class IMO.

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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 20, 2013 02:49PM
Group 5, where anything over 2400cc adjusted (2000cc 16 valve) would have been in Canada anyway, continues as a national class for *at least* two more years and will likely continue as a regional class long after that.

If the cars that are 'out there' get finished and entered in events (instead of sold off to the next 'project' builder) that will do a lot to preserve the class.



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 24, 2013 09:47PM
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The issue comes into who's going to be the 2nd car? Bushore and I keep talking about getting 2 and 3 car trailers for moving Michigan guys, since we have a lot of guys around here. However, someone first needs to make the initial investment in the "haul everything" truck and claim ownership of that and the trailer. But how does it work with other teams? Ideally, I'd love to live near Art with his whole logistics towing company and tag along with the Polish express since he's got any sort of truck/trailer you could imagine. Because you really can't just go halves on something like that, because who the fuck knows when someone will drop out and want their half back too.




I see your in Michigan, talk to Vio dobasu, he owns a trucking company near detroit. back when we crewed for him he was talking about running one of his semi drivers with a car hauler to west coast events to run his car, our #93, and dick rockrorhs cars out plus the service tool van, and a recce car.. im sure if there was interest, he would do it.. then all u gotta do is pay partial fuel and hop on an aero-plane



I be sorry as a muthafucka I did, still sorry I did n' hustled ta peep what tha fuck I holla'd a lil' bit better, or at least try to.
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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 25, 2013 04:56PM
Just saw this picture on facebook...

Team O'Neil 3/4 ton looking truck hauling a multi-level gooseneck multi-car hauler.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/528277_4333668988593_2045491480_n.jpg



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 25, 2013 07:14PM
That thing looks loaded all sorts of wrong in that picture... IMO.

The tongue weight/5th wheel/ball weight must be insane. I'm sure they checked out the regulations for their part of the country before heading out though...
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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 25, 2013 08:38PM
He is diffently not legal in any state for sure. Too much rear axle weight, not enough front axle weight. That thing has to be all over the road. Just because the truck is rated for X weight, doesn't mean that you should max it out to X weight.
I would say that no they didn't look at the weight rules Adam. I think that truck is a f550 dually 4x4(I would hope it is). Even if it is the truck is loaded all wrong. Am going to bet that the driver didn't have the proper CDL/Medical card either. Big fines for doing it wrong.
Most car haulers using that configuration only have a 3-car trailer to be legal. Have seen too many of these sitting in state DOT scale house's with red flag stickers on them waiting for a legal driver or another truck to haul it. He might be under the 26,000# GVW limit but probaly just.
There is a point in hauling when it's time to move up to a to a bigger truck. Atleast they made it there with no problems and hopefully back home.



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 25, 2013 09:40PM


Here's another shot from Sno*Drift. May be that car waaaaay back takes just enough off the tongue to keep it sorta legal weight-wise.

Gonna need a CDL disirregardless (my GWShrub mangalation of language is on purpose) with the five cars at 2,500 lbs. each plus trailer weight.



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Re: Multi-car haulers
February 25, 2013 10:04PM
ill be happy with a trailer and some sort of towing thing powered with combustion.



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