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To bring the Citation(SCCA Logbook) up to spec, I found Hurst at 100AW 3-4 years ago and said "Where do you want me to put bars?" Ended up with doorbars and a midline V in the main hoop. Appendix 1 stuff, though it seems Appendix 1 doesn't exist anymore? Sort of like "Go up there about a mile, turn left where the Johnsons barn used to be. "


Biggest thing with old rally cars: You HAVE TO HAVE THE LOGBOOK. No Logbook=scrap metal. you won't get a new book for an old car.

Not really an accurate statement. Depends on the situation, the car and its history.

This is interesting....do tell! Other people that really should know made it clear that that old wore out SCCA logbook was the only thing of value it the transaction to bring Oskar to KS. That without it, the car would have to meet the rules of a current build.

Thinking and policy has changed a bit over the years. If we can establish a car was built and raced before such and such date AND the car is compliant or can be made compliant and relatively safe it can be issued a log book. I have both RA and NRS books in hand and have issued both brands to old builds that can recieve them. Cars built before 2007 have to comply to the ruleset that SCCA had in place when they bailed in 2004.

However if the car is a POS it will be scrap iron regardless of logbook status.

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However if the car is a POS it will be scrap iron regardless of logbook status.

LIAR! How do you explain all the Subarus?

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I pretty much do the same thing Gene does. Even if a car's logbook is lost, if I can establish that the car has a valid rally history and it's not beaten to death, I will occasionally issue a new logbook for it. This has happened only a few times that I can remember. In one case, I remembered issuing the first logbook for the car and seeing it at events. In another, the car wasn't known to me personally, but several people remembered it running in the 90s. Recently one came in where I didn't know the car, but I looked at the cage and it seemed solid, although out of date. Since we couldn't establish a rally history but the car clearly had been run in the past, we talked about what modifications the cage would need to be brought up to reasonable specs. Haven't seen that car back yet, but the modifications were minor.

In Oskar's case, I probably would have asked for pictures and then had a long chat with Guy Light to determine whether it was the same car he built. If so, there's enough record in the history books for that car that I'd've probably been ok in issuing a new logbook for it.

By the way, I had a chat with him last week and told him you'd centerpunched a tree last weekend. He's curious to know how bad the damage is. Apparently Oskar's had encounters with trees before.

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frankly, i think the cage in the Rx7 is the most terrible, jungle gym of death on earth. It just plain sucks. I dont think I could event really add bars to improve anything since the bends and the fitment are so wonky! I know it's worked fine for the last like, 1/4 century... maybe i have cage envy.


Wonder how feasible it would to fit a modern cage into a fresh shell... not a whole lotta room in there for a good angle going back from the main hoop....

hence why i'm considering rally car 3.0 in the future.

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frankly, i think the cage in the Rx7 is the most terrible, jungle gym of death on earth. It just plain sucks. I dont think I could event really add bars to improve anything since the bends and the fitment are so wonky! I know it's worked fine for the last like, 1/4 century... maybe i have cage envy.


Wonder how feasible it would to fit a modern cage into a fresh shell... not a whole lotta room in there for a good angle going back from the main hoop....

hence why i'm considering rally car 3.0 in the future.

Probably easier to do a modern cage as techniques and procedures have changed and vastly improved over the years. I'd guess there would be more room when a new spec cage was built nowadays.

One thing to remember is that that cage was built around a full interior. You could do much better by starting over with a stripped car first.

Doug

ah! that makes sense why i could fit stock door cards still

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This is a good discussion. I'm sure there are lots of cars in the US that have log books or at one time did that are collecting dust or rust because everything that's out there (that's easy to find) on the topic says "No way, start over."

If people know they have a chance of using it, they might try to race again, sell it to someone with that intent, or buy and update an old car instead of starting from scratch or just plain moving to another hobby.

I'm sure since it involves safety people are paranoid to discuss it but we sign our lives away regardless and if you don't feel safe in it, don't run it. I have an old car with old spec cage that I still run. I plan to start updating parts of it to be closer to the current FIA spec because it "could" be safer and I like a project. I don't think I'm alone.

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By the way, I had a chat with him last week and told him you'd centerpunched a tree last weekend. He's curious to know how bad the damage is. Apparently Oskar's had encounters with trees before.

It's right on the edge. It was burried in 2 feet of snow when we got home and is just peeking out now. I need to get it in the shop and up in the air. The radiator brace on the right side got bent straight up and down and is "leaning" on the water pump. I need to cut it out and see if it will start. That will relly be the make or brake for me. Bodywork + mechanical = Why? Amazingly it is leaking nothing, not even windshield washer fluid. I've located a donor 84. I've also located a 78 Chevette with a series 2 3800 ,T5 and an LSD for a Vaxhall clone

The Chevette is already swapped?? I can see Wilson vibrating now. How cool that would be to put together.

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The Chevette is already swapped?? I can see Wilson vibrating now. How cool that would be to put together.

Naw he's already creamed his jeans and now he's search for aome paper towels to clean the mess.

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There is a chevette 4 blocks from me under a cover. It has been there fro 5 years, and I think bad thoughts when ever I drive by it.

I helped with the build of a chevette for bonneville when I still lived in Vegas. It was meant for the 200mph club with a 259 cid small block chevy. Front wheels were moved forward 4 feet and a aero nose made. Top chopped to 8" tall, and windshield laid back to 25 degrees. It was waiste high when on the wheels.

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frankly, i think the cage in the Rx7 is the most terrible, jungle gym of death on earth. It just plain sucks. I dont think I could event really add bars to improve anything since the bends and the fitment are so wonky! I know it's worked fine for the last like, 1/4 century... maybe i have cage envy.


Wonder how feasible it would to fit a modern cage into a fresh shell... not a whole lotta room in there for a good angle going back from the main hoop....

hence why i'm considering rally car 3.0 in the future.

Probably easier to do a modern cage as techniques and procedures have changed and vastly improved over the years. I'd guess there would be more room when a new spec cage was built nowadays.

Well as having sat in Phils car with a new fully proper cage I can say, if you thought the rx7 was small before, wait till you get a FIA cage in it. At least for big boys like me. If you some short twig i think you would be fine, but as a full figured gentleman I'm saying it would be a no go for me. So them small cars for are going to have to be old school barn finds if I'm going to fit in them.

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Well if you weren't the Anti-Jared....


A lot of old cars had the front legs drop down in front of the dash board and the main hoop (sometimes 2" tubing) was routinely based too far forward. The old SCCA rule had a number , maybe 8 inches?, where the cage had to be in relation to the seat. Would be tough for Dave Clark and myself to both fit. Lots of cages were mounted to the floor in front of the back seat platform rather than on it. Many bolt in cages were a ways from the edges so they could easily be installed.

We have to rein in a builder once in a while but the internet has done a lot to improve cage design and techniques. Very easy to find good pics and share ideas. Things are much better these days.

The A pillar support is the only bar that is required now that might take room away from a 1980 build. If done correctly it still ends up where many cars had the front leg back in those days anyway. My helmet used to rest on the padding in my 7 all the time. I hit the cage in most Talons also. I don't know how tall people drive those things.