My attempt to continue the Buy vs Build debate
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Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
Rider (driver) skill is something we haven’t really been talking about so far, and is likely a whole other can o’worms. If you haven’t ridden a horse (or driven a car) since Carter was president you might not want to enter any sporting event! With horses you can always enter the stick horse classes where no experience or horse is required. However if you were a reasonable rider you could get started with any horse that was trained well enough to go where you point it. There are classes for those riders.
There is a wide swing but the entry fees are nowhere near rally ones at the local level. Seems they are usually in the 100-200 range for a one day event. There are other fees that can be added like stall fees but those vary with the event. I have no idea what the big shows cost but there are usually huge corporate sponsors and ticket sales at the gate along with vendors that make the hosts money. Of course there is also the money spent to keep the horse alive and healthy between events. Around here the season runs late spring to early fall so there is a lot of “keeping alive†time! |
darkknight9 Kirk Coughlin Mod Moderator Location: Saint Paul, MN Join Date: 01/08/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 493 Rally Car: Dreaming of escorts and xrats |
Kirk Coughlin Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. |
Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
There are those piss poor communication skills my wife accuses me of! |
Reamer Jeff Reamer Infallible Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
I see your in the thumb of MI. Im in down town Marlette. How close are you? I may have some options over here.
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Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
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Reamer Jeff Reamer Infallible Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
wow your less than 10 minutes away. Next time you role threw Marlette we are 1 block off the main light by speedy Q. Stop in.You will see Subarus in the parking lot.
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Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Well I will grant you there are tons of procedural stuff, the whole sign up-reg, tech inspection , noob school, navigating to the SSs, ATC/MTC booking in etc.. that sooner or later you're going to have to learn... But that needn't be in your first competition event driving... They way I always introduced people to the sport was to take them co-driving and I'd say "This way you get to experience all the pre-event prep, mail in, tech, time keeping, reading the route book, keeping your place, check and double checking Arrival times "DO YOUR TIMES ALOUD so I can hear too and catch any mistakes*" , checking the ATC crews have entered into the time cards the times they should have, what to do when the odo conks out, what to do when you get lost, et tres importante, what speed looks and feels like---so you know that a car can at least be driven X fast by a guy who is not concentrating that much cause he's just having FUN.---and that speed is probably going to be a lot faster than you MIGHT think.." When you've done a coupla events co-driver, then you can train your co-driver when you have you debut as driver.... What were talking about with apologies to the great American essayist Edmund Wilson**, To the First SS Start, is THE big hurdle in rally..... But one needn't necessarily have to learn EVERYTHING, including how to drive at speed, at the same time as learning all the other junk. Before I entered my first ever moto-cross, I had ridden for 3-4 years, thousands of miles in the woods, daily for a couple of years.... Before I entered my first rally, I had about 20 years on loose surfaces on much more powerful machinery, (rally cars do not at will pull 3rd or 4th gear wheelies) and 4-5 years pounding the same model car in ever closer to real spec guise down all kinds of roads (but far twister AND rougher than we encounter on US Events---I didn't know that Routemasters like virtual freeways!!) So when I pulled up at the first SS start, I didn't have to "learn to drive" I needed to learn to back off and save the car and borrowing from the Doctor's Cose "First Do No Stupid" which lasted till SS2 and really went stupid on SS6. So, so that your $600-800 entry fee isn't completely pissed away, prepare for the first competition by trying to get some rides co-driving. Do whatever Brisk" TSD you can find with co-driver to go thru some similar situations And practice anything you can with the car beforehand.. Adam Crane, one of our local loonies spent several years pounding the snot out of the free or $150 Toyota GTS while going to some beer sodden school in the wastelands of Western Washington.. And did pretty good (mostly) on his first events with a low spec (stockish motor) car and co-driven by an old driver--who had taught 22-25 how to co-drive. (Me) Finally, the "finishing is a great accomplishment"...well if you just drive 35mph why not take the family mini-van and putter down the road? Sooner or later you will have to mash on the gas and begin learning the hardest thing: braking. Time flies 30 years is nearly a blink of the eyes. Gotta start someday, right now is always better. * few things are more frustrating than pounding the piss outta the car fretting like hell for fractions of second to beat your mates than Checking in wrong at ATC and MTC..I say DO YOUR TIMES ALOUD and verify so you don't get simple book keeping errors at full minutes out of whack Kinda sumpin like "Start time ACTUAL was 15.23. Transit is 45 minutes so 33, 43, 53, 03 and 5 is OH EIGHT. ATC IN Time is SIXTEEN OH EIGHT, RIGHT! Driver sings out "Duh yepp duh yepp 16.08 right" and that time you write in the route book at the box for ATC SS 7 (or whatever) and flip the page and enter that again. Also you can learn to answer questions asked like "How long till we go in?" Answer "FOUR MINUTES till we go in" not "Our in time is 16.08 derp derp" ** Edmund Wilson author of the Great 1940 book on the Russian Revolution "To the Finland Station" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_The_Finland_Station Wilson "had the present book in mind for six years,"[1] which Robert Giroux edited.[2] The book is divided into three sections. The first spends five of eight chapters on Michelet and then discusses the "Decline of Revolutionary Tradition" vis-a-vis Ernest Renan, Hippolyte Taine, and Anatole France. The second deals with Socialism and Communism in sixteen chapters. The first four chapters discuss the "Origins of Socialism" vis-a-vis Babeuf, Saint-Simon, Fourier and Robert Owen, and Enfantin and "American Socialists" (Margaret Sanger and Horace Greeley). The second group of twelve chapters deal mostly with the development of thought in Karl Marx in light of his influences, partnership with Friedrich Engels and opposition from Lassalle and Bakunin. The third spends six chapters, dealing two each on Lenin, Trotsky, and again Lenin. Important writings addressed include Lenin's "What Is to Be Done?" and Trotsky's Literature and Revolution, My Life, biography of Lenin, and The History of the Russian Revolution. The book also mentions Eleanor Marx, Nadezhda Krupskaya, Annie Besant, Charles Bradlaugh and Gapon. Publication Harcourt, Brace & Co. first published this book in September 1940.[3] Doubleday's Anchor Books imprint published a paperback edition in 1953.[4] Farrar, Straus and Giroux published a paperback edition in 1972.[5] The New York Review of Books published a new edition in 2003, with an introduction by Louis Menand.[6] Upon publication, TIME said: Because it makes Marxist theory, aims and tactics intelligible to any literate non-Marxist mind, To the Finland Station is an invaluable book. It is an advantage that, like Milton with the character of Satan, Author Wilson is half in love with the human side of the curious specimens he describes.[1 John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Reamer Jeff Reamer Infallible Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
Bens has grown like crazy up here. We needed it. Didnt mean to interupt the thread just seen you had to be close. But to add I am in the simple but good build catagory for sure.
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
That's OK, that's why we ask so nicely that people post real names and REAL locations--clear enough so people can see "Oh, like wow weeeeze neighbors almost" John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
I updated it to list my mailing address instead of the general ballpark. I even spelled it right! |
RallyBrighton Brad Hayosh Elite Moderator Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Join Date: 08/08/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 19 Rally Car: MK2 Jetta - 1998 Impreza STIish |
Last year at LSPR there was a guy in a MK2 Jetta that was bringing up the rear of the pack. He didn’t appear to be flying down the stages. I later heard it was his first rally. That’s awesome! He was driving. I was guarding a snowmobile trail.
James - that was me in the MK2 and I was certainly slow but - man, I had a good time. I can't even begin to tell you how much was going through my head at that rally and how confusing the whole thing was but it's like an addiction and I can't wait to get back on stage and try to get faster. Also, it's amazing how much of a community rally is and the number of people that were there to help - really great people. Feel free to contact me if you are ever down near Ann Arbor - there are a few of us in the area that would be glad to help you along. |
Logdog James Dietzel Elite Moderator Location: Imlay City, Michigan Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 18 |
Thats awesome! I was cheering for you! Are you going to Magnum Opus? A friend of mine from Houston is flying up so he can attend his first rally. You are right about the rally community here in Michigan. Since I moved here 3 years ago I have been surprised at how welcoming the rally people have been. Ive put a pretty good list of names and faces together and even started going to the organizers meetings for SnoDrift last November. Through that I really met alot of very cool people. |
RallyBrighton Brad Hayosh Elite Moderator Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Join Date: 08/08/2011 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 19 Rally Car: MK2 Jetta - 1998 Impreza STIish |
Yes - I'll be at Magnum Opus - come and stop by. I was all set for Sno*Drift but a work crisis came up in the 11th hour (while I was loading my gear) and I had to cancel - nothing like eating a $1k entry fee...but work pays for rally. Anyway, hopefully I'll see you up in Newberry - I'll be the the slow guy.
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Anders Green Anders Green Super Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
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