Dillon VanWay running a BRC event...
Posted by Aaron Luptak
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http://www.rally-america.com/news/entry/dillon-van-way-to-compete-in-first-round-of-british-rally-championship
Running the event-formerly-known-as-the-bulldog-rally April 6/7...
Interesting choice to run an R2, and not an R3 car - granted, last year Elfyn showed that there's not that big a difference between the R2s and R3s, but I don't think DVW is quite at Elfyn's level...  KF7RWG 
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You'd say Chris didn't have the experience? Even as well funded individuals, there is only so much time a 20 year old from Britain could spend racing, and he was still whupped by them... and we're talking minutes (usually almost 10 minutes an event IIRC) off the leader. Yea ok, maybe some of them were karting from early ages, I'd imagine, but still... Of course John, you can believe (because thats what you are stating, a belief/opinion) that recce/notes means nothing, the more power to you. The fact that you think someone can muster anywhere near the speed for a L5/CR with only knowing there is a CR by eyesight in front of them and not knowing what is on the other side... ok then. Lucky for you, the US has resisted 2 pass recce (at least, RA has) for a long time and still relies on jemba (which isn't even close to the same thing). From what I've seen (since we are into anecdotal evidence today), besides the actual driving, the next thing most drivers practice at is pace noting when it comes to rally. Shall we continue to argue about why our driver's are slower? No, because it's just going to be a verbal onslaught of anecdotal evidence and you feeling high and mighty for something you did in a Saab a long time ago which led you to believe that you've grown wise in your old age. 
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Hej kid, read and shut the fuck up
I'll copy and pate it since your 2o whatever head is swollen---by what I have no idea cause you ain't done shit in your life kid----so much that your eyes are squeezed shut opportunity and drive , curiosity, and determination.. Without that the notes aren't going to do anybody any good. I've watch your generation of "drivers' in their Subarus and "I need recce or I'm going home" crybabies. You suck. 3 guys in the whole of Canada drive decently, "pretty good', Nothing that hundreds don't do elsewhere but pretty good.. opportunity and drive , curiosity, and determination.. Without that the notes aren't going to do anybody any good. Its a complicated bit of sentence and reading comprehension is something clearly lack in the schools system in Alberta---since people in the other Provinces don't seem to musunderstand things like you guys constantly do.... But that says BEFORE you can utilse notes you have to learn to drive pretty good. Some have suggested---in places where they have had notes a few decades before Canada did---they it may be one reason there's hardly any Swedes any more in WRC---that all rely on "driver's aides" and have become complacent and lazy... Meanwhile in Finland the bulk of the events for the bulk of the fields are route Book events..and Finns learn to drive... I wonder why they don't constantly whine and snivel about note despite being so much more aggressive (driving, not with their mouth) , better and faster than you? Oh, and listen, kid. I didn't feel "high and mighty" because I did things in a fucking car 20 years ago---which you haven't---- rally is and always has been just for fun...and i had fun beating all those turbo 4wd cars but that's just saying how poor THEY drove. I feel some pride in having set a goal at 15: To race moto-cross for a living, and to see the world doing it" and I did it. And again, that's something you'll never do. So Dillon can go spend somebodys money to drive some damn thing for whatever reason, you can sneer at him, but he's there, .......you're there. He's driving, you're trolling. 
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Out of curiosity, who is the original quote from? I doubt anyone would argue against the need for opportunity, drive, curiosity and determination in archiving success at just about anything. Although I'd argue that we can all make our own opportunities to a large degree. (like moving to Sweden at 17.)
I've said before that we've found in testing that good notes that are being trusted and committed to were worth about 2 seconds per km. I think the difference here is that Latvala's commitment to the notes is that much higher so the drop in pace is that much more. Pace notes are one of these 'slippery slope' discussions where people have strong opinions and can't seem to get their heads around middle ground positions. Primarily, what I see as John's mental block is the idea that driver development (Brake later, harder, etc.) doesn't have to happen exclusive of notes development. In my opinion, there is no need to master one skill before starting to learn another. This goes more for skills that change how you apply or use the other skill. In this case, if you beat into someone that they have to 'read the road' (which sometimes lies to you) and 'read the lines' (that don't always tell the whole story, or tell many MANY stories as you go further back in the pack) then that's some thing that has to be unlearned, to a degree, if you are going to commit to notes. Yes, the driver will still read the road on pace notes, he'll just read different things on the road. John, I'm curious. How many events have you driven - or co-driven - on self generated pace notes. Not Jemba, not borrowed. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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I have a longer post written up (at home) but actually had to get to work this morning. But just to chime in, once again, this is YOUR opinion. There is no fact to the statement you have made besides your anecdotal evidence. While you may believe it to be true, you have no evidence (empirical or otherwise) to back up the claim that DVW, CD, or any other competitor in America is not doing this in COMPARISON to those across the pond. You don't even have anecdotal evidence of YOURSELF doing it, so now we are into hearsay. You can hypothesize all you want, but claiming it to be fact is absurd (not that I necessarily disagree with you on your points John). I think Josh and Keith summarized my point of view much more succinctly than I could. As for achievments and drive, I am quite happy with my accomplishments and what I have done. No regrets on my part  And at least those accomplishments were within rally, and not in some other motorsport unrelated to the discussion at hand.
Edit- And just to be clear, I'm rooting for DVW. Same as when CD went across. They are "living the dream" as Leo would say. I have to do about 40 more rallies in the driver's seat before I have near the experience they have, and my choices in life have put me on a different path (as I am a different person with different wants) that probably precludes me from ever competing as they have. "I feel some pride in having set a goal at 15: To race moto-cross for a living, and to see the world doing it" and I did it. And again, that's something you'll never do. " Your right, I'll never do that as I never had an interest in moto-cross from a racing standpoint. Refer back to my initial comment on no regrets for the way I've approached racing  Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2013 01:15PM by HiTempguy. |
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