Evan,

Thanks for giving us the other side of the story. I too would have been pissed off by getting tagged by Caswel.

Merrilee,

I was looking for you all weekend. Thanks for working in that heat!

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Evan,

Thanks for giving us the other side of the story. I too would have been pissed off by getting tagged by Caswel.

Merrilee,

I was looking for you all weekend. Thanks for working in that heat!

I was FF on 2/4, the heat was tolerable because it was late enough

FF on 6/9 and then start on 11, in the shade mostly and high enough with a good enough breeze to keep me happy (well, cept for the dust, yuck)

and FF on 17, which was hot and dusty and not nearly enough breeze, but only one stage so I only suffered a little

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I think Ken showed a ton of maturity by not backing into the drag strip turn-around with all four tires billowing smoke.

Maybe because he doesn't get 10 takes in a rally?

I was kinda hoping someone would pull a Gilles Panizzi:

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So that's probably the only thing that bothers me about it, having a forum rule that is pushed, but yet some are allowed to skip it.

There are a couple of cranky old farts who don't have full names or locations listed but they both did for a very long time. Most newbies (to the forum at least) are universally chastised into putting their information in place.

I do agree, however, about the forum rules - which boil down to basically two things name and civility - being unevenly enforced being an issue.

BTW: Thanks for volunteering on the weekend!

But, as JVL stated when I made a similar comment, he knows who they are (the ones without real names) and that's all that counts apparently.

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I think Cline was the same guy who parked his broken Mitsu on stage and then got into quite the shouting match with spectators over his failure to put out triangles, I think. Age mellows most people.

Anyhow he didn't cheat, get afforded special treatment or otherwise do anything underhanded. He may have benefitted from a situation created by someone else. A situation that was innocent in intent and shit happens.

Reeves is fast. A 1600 cc, no torque, fwd, strange roads and embarrassed a lot of competitors. Proof we need to scrap the AWD bullshit and go back to 2wd championship. Obviously the big dollars, big traction formula isn't the benefit that people perceive. Oz has about 8 manufactures involved in their 2wd championship. Put a moratorium on AWDs, no more new builds, no rebuilds (repairs only). When they die then they can only be replaced with 2wd. No national championship for AWD.

This was my second rally back in 2007. I had a very experienced co-driver with me who flipped off a spectator as we tried to push the car clear from the corner. Once again this was not me that did this, yet it was my teammate for that event. He apologized for his actions on SpecialStage and is still very involved with rally (behind the scenes) to this day.

Don't you love it how something 6 years ago is still "on your record" so to speak?

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I think Ken showed a ton of maturity by not backing into the drag strip turn-around with all four tires billowing smoke.

Maybe because he doesn't get 10 takes in a rally?

I was kinda hoping someone would pull a Gilles Panizzi:

Could you imagine what movies/tv/commercials/plays/concerts/etc would be like without rehearsals? Wow would that suck. imo let the man have his "10 takes" when he's making his promotional materials

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I was just having a JVL moment and felt the need to be vocal about it

I thought that was the definition of a JVL moment.

good point

I actually don't know how much I care about people putting their names, etc in their profiles. I don't know why we enforce it for some people and not for others, that really doesn't make much sense to me. So that's probably the only thing that bothers me about it, having a forum rule that is pushed, but yet some are allowed to skip it.

Merrilee, just what are we supposed to do when somebody decides for their own reasons they want to not put their real name and real location up?

We can only ask---pointedly---and try and help them see that there are good solid reasons why they should, why people usually treat others as humans when the are talking to a real person, the benefits of being able see that there are other people nearby who share a similar passion.....if they refuse, what can we do?

The forum owner Skye agreed 100% that the 2 banes of on-line community building was anonymity and power-tripping idiot moderators chosen for unknown reasons , hence the read this first thing and the 9my idea) "random moderator status generator" assiging not just a moderator status but an exalted, puffed up absurdly grandiose modertor status to everybody from post no.1---which implies for the more slow among us that "we are all Spartacus "

WE all make this work---or not..

I say in the sport, like some of the rules or not, we voluntarily agree to play by the rules--even while we agitate to change the rules...

Here most of us play by the Real Name , Real location Rule.

So a few decide not to, what should we do?
And who will do it?

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So that's probably the only thing that bothers me about it, having a forum rule that is pushed, but yet some are allowed to skip it.

There are a couple of cranky old farts who don't have full names or locations listed but they both did for a very long time. Most newbies (to the forum at least) are universally chastised into putting their information in place.

I do agree, however, about the forum rules - which boil down to basically two things name and civility - being unevenly enforced being an issue.

BTW: Thanks for volunteering on the weekend!

But, as JVL stated when I made a similar comment, he knows who they are (the ones without real names) and that's all that counts apparently.

See above. And I welcome your suggestions on how to cure the offenders of their transgressions.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
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Could you imagine what movies/tv/commercials/plays/concerts/etc would be like without rehearsals? Wow would that suck. imo let the man have his "10 takes" when he's making his promotional materials

Kinda like rally without recce? :ducks and runs:

I haven't watched all the vids he put out, but I do remember thinking that the one in france had much less rubber down on the road than the first one or two and I thought that made it more impressive from a driving standpoint.

All I was trying to say is that in rally you have to get it right or you lose time, there are no second chances since times are cumulative. I remember playing around on Pikes Peak one year during practice with handbrake turns in the Ws because the Evo has terrible steering arm articulation and no antilag. My feeling was that handbraking was quicker, but my success rate in practice was only about 80%. The 20% was either over rotation or bogging down, each of which cost way more time than hand braking saved. On race day I went for the smooth but slightly slower option knowing it'd be likely to be faster on average than having the red mist hit and effing something up in a major way.

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So that's probably the only thing that bothers me about it, having a forum rule that is pushed, but yet some are allowed to skip it.

There are a couple of cranky old farts who don't have full names or locations listed but they both did for a very long time. Most newbies (to the forum at least) are universally chastised into putting their information in place.

I do agree, however, about the forum rules - which boil down to basically two things name and civility - being unevenly enforced being an issue.

BTW: Thanks for volunteering on the weekend!

But, as JVL stated when I made a similar comment, he knows who they are (the ones without real names) and that's all that counts apparently.

See above. And I welcome your suggestions on how to cure the offenders of their transgressions.

and that's the thing, how is there a way to know that if they do put a first and last name that it's really their own real first and last names

there isn't, not without being overly invasive to the point of sillyness (like requiring ID for proof)


so, rather than it being a rule and it being pushed on people, it should just be requested/suggested if we aren't going to enforce it for everyone

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Could you imagine what movies/tv/commercials/plays/concerts/etc would be like without rehearsals? Wow would that suck. imo let the man have his "10 takes" when he's making his promotional materials

Kinda like rally without recce? :ducks and runs:

I haven't watched all the vids he put out, but I do remember thinking that the one in france had much less rubber down on the road than the first one or two and I thought that made it more impressive from a driving standpoint.

All I was trying to say is that in rally you have to get it right or you lose time, there are no second chances since times are cumulative. I remember playing around on Pikes Peak one year during practice with handbrake turns in the Ws because the Evo has terrible steering arm articulation and no antilag. My feeling was that handbraking was quicker, but my success rate in practice was only about 80%. The 20% was either over rotation or bogging down, each of which cost way more time than hand braking saved. On race day I went for the smooth but slightly slower option knowing it'd be likely to be faster on average than having the red mist hit and effing something up in a major way.

Dave

lol

it's just a pet peeve of mine carried over from another non-rally forum. As someone who, in the past, has done theater and improve, although they are in the same realm of entertainment, they are entirely different. However, being someone who can do improvisation when needed can save a scene from embarrassment for the whole cast when someone else buggers up their lines (or misses them all together). So, although his short films are still in a car, and he can use a lot of that practice to crossover into racing on tarmac, they are still two different things. I like the fact that he makes those videos for his fans, even if you can see that it's not all one take.

although this thread has been kind of all over the place, it's been pretty cool that it's been hoppin' in here this morning

helping to keep me from getting more mad a new international freight forwarder a customer started using, calgon take me away

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So that's probably the only thing that bothers me about it, having a forum rule that is pushed, but yet some are allowed to skip it.

There are a couple of cranky old farts who don't have full names or locations listed but they both did for a very long time. Most newbies (to the forum at least) are universally chastised into putting their information in place.

I do agree, however, about the forum rules - which boil down to basically two things name and civility - being unevenly enforced being an issue.

BTW: Thanks for volunteering on the weekend!

But, as JVL stated when I made a similar comment, he knows who they are (the ones without real names) and that's all that counts apparently.

See above. And I welcome your suggestions on how to cure the offenders of their transgressions.

and that's the thing, how is there a way to know that if they do put a first and last name that it's really their own real first and last names

there isn't, not without being overly invasive to the point of sillyness (like requiring ID for proof)


so, rather than it being a rule and it being pushed on people, it should just be requested/suggested if we aren't going to enforce it for everyone

Well that's all we can do, request, then suggest, then suggest harder, and trust that they're not going to be little assholes and lie to everybody about who they are just to be a little whiney asshole.

Mostly we're dealing with adults, mostly and we do offer by far the best specific advice, and as far as I can see have put more people on the road to happiness and connected a good number of peeps with others in their area, particularly in areas where there's less other rally-pervs.....like the Bay Area, or Misery ...
I feel most people WANT TO connect with others sharing same interest, possibly because they instinctively feel that nobody can do much of anything in life or rally all alone.....

You know that I talk with a LOT of people in depth all over USA and Canada, lots of them beginners in this sport, mostly about building their cars and that eveolves into long discussions on the general "approach" or way of looking at participation...and of importantly prioritizing effort and spending.... Nearly all say they like the idea of real name , real location cause we get to know people better.

If some want to play games, hide, push their pet agenda, again what can we do?

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On race day I went for the smooth but slightly slower option knowing it'd be likely to be faster on average than having the red mist hit and effing something up in a major way.

Dave

Jeeezus your rude bastard, watch the fawkin language!

THINK of the FAWKIN CHILDREN!!!!

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On race day I went for the smooth but slightly slower option knowing it'd be likely to be faster on average than having the red mist hit and effing something up in a major way.

Dave

Jeeezus your rude bastard, watch the fawkin language!

THINK of the FAWKIN CHILDREN!!!!

inorite

like sweet innocent me