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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 01, 2013 11:59PM


Us crossing the finish line today (yes, a picture of a picture). We completed 3/4 of almost 800 competitive stage miles, 400+ miles of transit as well. Not enough can be said of the people who helped get us to the end, including crawling the last 5 miles at 15mph due to a crushed exhaust and a collapsing intake hose! We'll be back from the sounds of thing... stay tuned for the day by day writeup!

I'm personally planning on building a truck to "rally" specifications for this event (their idea of rally includes a brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland addition done up to run in the top 5 overall, with glass windows and A/C!), so I am on the lookout for the toughest mini-truck you can get. Conditions require extended cab, and must have an SUV counterpart to use as chase/tow/service vehicle. I'm thinking deranger and exploder.

And as a final warning, do NOT do this event in a rally car unless you don't care about it, or you are willing to essentially "use the car up" completely over the course of the event. I hope to post some video from other people (never got a chance to), but some of the stuff we went through... the only reason was Ron's sheer power of will, including the will to do whatever it takes to make it "up and over" the obstacles in our way. The fact the car held up as well as it did... simply mind blowing. We only ACTUALLY wrecked two control arms, one rally tire flat (ran falken mediums for about 400 miles), and a front DMS 50mm started weeping from the seals.

If you are crazy enough to do this event; minimum DMS 50mm's (PROPERLY SETUP, longer AND softer springs with correct damping, all things we didn't have), swaybars removed, full body length skidplates (and at least 3/16" thick, I think we were running 1/8" thick?!), completed boxed control arms, and realistically a tubular front end to get the front frame rails out of the way and provide more front end protection/better approach angle. If done properly, a rallycar would SLAY in the smoother sections, but you'd still have to be prepared to skip the car over boulders 1+ foot tall and pummel the car in general. SHORTER IS BETTER, and overhang is a killer. Awd lightweight cars work hilariously better in the fine sand of seabeds/lakebeds/silt river bottoms than 2wd heavy pickups with big tires.

I think a 2.5RS could make a KILLER car for this (again, if you didn't care about ever selling it or using it again).
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 02, 2013 01:33AM
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This one shows ONE OF THE EASIEST STAGES WE ENCOUNTERED. Now imagine that in a Talon that was slightly raised eye popping smiley We did that stage in 1 hour, 44 minutes, XX seconds. That put us in the bottom 15% of all cars/trucks.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 02, 2013 02:16AM
Car before it was raised another 3+ inches (I think):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5QSd21i2mds#t=534s
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 02, 2013 08:57PM
Sounds like you enjoyed it!! Congrats! Yup, that's desert racing (well, kinda as its a bit tamer than the B1K, or Mint 400 or V2R). Buttloads of seatime and brutal "road" conditions.

Norra has another race later this year (late September?) that is a bit shorter and closer to the border but same idea. As I posted previously--my rally truck is available--its a long way from Mexico but I'd be willing to offer it up as part of a plan to do this race in '14 or the shorter race later this year if something came together rather quickly.

As far as building an effort yourself--yes, you couldn't get much better than a Ranger/Exploder combo if you were looking for a truck/SUV combo that shared a lot of parts. More modern you could do Tacoma/4Runner or Frontier/Titan/Xterra/Pathfinder



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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 03, 2013 02:37AM
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 07:12AM
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Us crossing the finish line today (yes, a picture of a picture). We completed 3/4 of almost 800 competitive stage miles, 400+ miles of transit as well. Not enough can be said of the people who helped get us to the end, including crawling the last 5 miles at 15mph due to a crushed exhaust and a collapsing intake hose! We'll be back from the sounds of thing... stay tuned for the day by day writeup!

I'm personally planning on building a truck to "rally" specifications for this event (their idea of rally includes a brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland addition done up to run in the top 5 overall, with glass windows and A/C!), so I am on the lookout for the toughest mini-truck you can get. Conditions require extended cab, and must have an SUV counterpart to use as chase/tow/service vehicle. I'm thinking deranger and exploder.

And as a final warning, do NOT do this event in a rally car unless you don't care about it, or you are willing to essentially "use the car up" completely over the course of the event. I hope to post some video from other people (never got a chance to), but some of the stuff we went through... the only reason was Ron's sheer power of will, including the will to do whatever it takes to make it "up and over" the obstacles in our way. The fact the car held up as well as it did... simply mind blowing. We only ACTUALLY wrecked two control arms, one rally tire flat (ran falken mediums for about 400 miles), and a front DMS 50mm started weeping from the seals.

If you are crazy enough to do this event; minimum DMS 50mm's (PROPERLY SETUP, longer AND softer springs with correct damping, all things we didn't have), swaybars removed, full body length skidplates (and at least 3/16" thick, I think we were running 1/8" thick?!), completed boxed control arms, and realistically a tubular front end to get the front frame rails out of the way and provide more front end protection/better approach angle. If done properly, a rallycar would SLAY in the smoother sections, but you'd still have to be prepared to skip the car over boulders 1+ foot tall and pummel the car in general. SHORTER IS BETTER, and overhang is a killer. Awd lightweight cars work hilariously better in the fine sand of seabeds/lakebeds/silt river bottoms than 2wd heavy pickups with big tires.

I think a 2.5RS could make a KILLER car for this (again, if you didn't care about ever selling it or using it again).


I could do the event in a stock Audi A4! That wash in El Arco was fhe worst part and maybe the whoops in San Felipe but the rest was easy.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 09:40AM
Ya know, I don't know whether to take that last post in jest, or if you are actually being serious. But to come into a thread where somebody/ a team feels quite proud of their accomplishment and to just shit on it. Congrats, you're a fucktard. thumbs up smiley Go do the event in a stock A4 that is built to the basics of the allowable rules, and then get back to us. Otherwise, stick to bikes eye rolling smiley
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 10:28AM
I did the Mex 1000 last week too, mainly in heavy chase. I was supposed to co-drive for JT Taylor in the #313 Torchmate rock-buggy, but then they broke it 38mi before I was to hop in. The event is cool enough that I too am looking for a vehicle to run next year, though a buggy not a truck - no way would I run a rally car unless you really hate it and want it to die a dramatic and painful death.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 10:55AM
Ryan, I believe we shook hands/said hello outside one of the hotels in Loreto? Sucks that you weren't able to get to drive.

This event REQUIRES IMO multiple tries. An initial run to get a feel for the event, and then another go or two at it to then really start getting on pace with the faster guys. Definitely isn't something you just hop into and survive I'd say.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 11:32AM

A Tornado insert none-the-less, add an electric supercharger and hang on Gertie.

Glad you had fun, there is something about an epic adventure that has to be experienced first hand. I'm a bit envious.

I have 2 1986 Bronco II s in the shop right now, new motor in one. Maybe a consideration also.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 01:28PM
This was my first desert race and so I met A LOT of new people, and I also suck at remembering names...so it's quite possible that we met and I just don't recall. Sorry! sad smiley

Even though I never got in the car I'm still really glad I went. Epic adventures aside, I learned a lot about just how much I don't know and the experience will be invaluable. Hopefully I'll be back in some capacity for the SCORE 1000 in Nov, and then the NORRA 1000 next year in my own ride - thinking a 2+2 Meyers Manx like Marty's yellow one, but w/ a Subaru motor...we shall see.



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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 03:32PM
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Ya know, I don't know whether to take that last post in jest, or if you are actually being serious. But to come into a thread where somebody/ a team feels quite proud of their accomplishment and to just shit on it. Congrats, you're a fucktard. thumbs up smiley Go do the event in a stock A4 that is built to the basics of the allowable rules, and then get back to us. Otherwise, stick to bikes eye rolling smiley

Calm down Francis, I was just pulling your cord. Figured you would like it....grinning smiley
Maybe some day, you'll meet me in person and maybe you'll be surprised how much car experience I have even compared to bikes. But, This is the internet after all and perceived knowledge is not all it's cracked up to be as you may find out someday.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 04:02PM
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Ya know, I don't know whether to take that last post in jest, or if you are actually being serious. But to come into a thread where somebody/ a team feels quite proud of their accomplishment and to just shit on it. Congrats, you're a fucktard. thumbs up smiley Go do the event in a stock A4 that is built to the basics of the allowable rules, and then get back to us. Otherwise, stick to bikes eye rolling smiley

Calm down Francis, I was just pulling your cord. Figured you would like it....grinning smiley
Maybe some day, you'll meet me in person and maybe you'll be surprised how much car experience I have even compared to bikes. But, This is the internet after all and perceived knowledge is not all it's cracked up to be as you may find out someday.

Aaron, the boy comes from Calgay, Alberta.
There's oil in the ground up North of there and therefore there's a cockiness we usually see in the stoopidest parts of this country where all they have to do is poke holes in the ground and oil comes out.

So somehow they mistake good fortune with being smart and knowin it all.
The boy is also in his 20s, and we all know every 20 something year old knows everything...

Even when it is so frequently abundantly clear this particular boy is just talking shit..


I wanted to ask just what kind of event this was. It looks to be a desert version of Targa Newie-land....more of a tour than a rally or a desert race..But, i figured somebody would get butt-hurt and i'm tired of punks calling people names, like Adam just did.

So you tell me: what was this? A glorified "tour"? There were certainly some pretty cars and expensive cars but they didn't look like serious cars.
I can't figure it out.



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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 05:40PM
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Calm down Francis, I was just pulling your cord. Figured you would like it....grinning smiley
Maybe some day, you'll meet me in person and maybe you'll be surprised how much car experience I have even compared to bikes. But, This is the internet after all and perceived knowledge is not all it's cracked up to be as you may find out someday.

I did think it was funny, if I had known it was sarcastic. Since you seem to be in tune with the smilies, I figured there be one if it was! Sorry for the tirade, still catching back up on sleep and it was early morning. sad smiley

John, it is a race. I already answered that question for you once. It is done EXACTLY like a stage rally, except the stages are 150+ miles. You can also pit anywhere/service anywhere/fuel anywhere. But don't take my word for it, I didn't just do it or anything... also, if I'd wrote that exact same paragraph to you about something, you'd flip your shit. At least I have the common decency to admit I was wrong and apologize (something you're not capable of).

This race is NOT the same as typical desert racing which from my understanding, somebody yells GO! and you are off for XX amount of time or miles in one go.

The race is also not a serious race. It is a vintage event that some more modern vehicles compete at. It's more of an adventure and party than race; afaik, this doesn't count towards any "serious" championship. Big sponsors and some money definitely rolls through it though. But in the end, it is still timed and time cards are filled in and you get penalized for not checking in properly.
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Re: Mexican 1000 Rally
May 05, 2013 05:59PM
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Calm down Francis, I was just pulling your cord. Figured you would like it....grinning smiley
Maybe some day, you'll meet me in person and maybe you'll be surprised how much car experience I have even compared to bikes. But, This is the internet after all and perceived knowledge is not all it's cracked up to be as you may find out someday.

I did think it was funny, if I had known it was sarcastic. Since you seem to be in tune with the smilies, I figured there be one if it was! Sorry for the tirade, still catching back up on sleep and it was early morning. sad smiley

John, it is a race. I already answered that question for you once. It is done EXACTLY like a stage rally, except the stages are 150+ miles. You can also pit anywhere/service anywhere/fuel anywhere. But don't take my word for it, I didn't just do it or anything... also, if I'd wrote that exact same paragraph to you about something, you'd flip your shit. At least I have the common decency to admit I was wrong and apologize (something you're not capable of).

This race is NOT the same as typical desert racing which from my understanding, somebody yells GO! and you are off for XX amount of time or miles in one go.

The race is also not a serious race. It is a vintage event that some more modern vehicles compete at. It's more of an adventure and party than race; afaik, this doesn't count towards any "serious" championship. Big sponsors and some money definitely rolls through it though. But in the end, it is still timed and time cards are filled in and you get penalized for not checking in properly.


Adam, the difference isn't that I can't or won't apologize. You have never spoken to me so YOU are a fucktard to say that about me and I would not call somebody I had had only superficial contact with a fucktard LIKE YOU JUST DID.

Adam, you're just some punk from some nowhere place that nobody gives a shit about doing sport nobody gives a shit about.
Just like the rest of us.
That doesn't give you a right to call this guy Aaron a fucktard.
That's the difference, you are READY to take offense because you're a spoiled kid who thinks you're some hot shit, so you're READY to call people fucktards.
THAT ready recourse is not common decency.
It is common assholery from spoiled punks.


I won't call a person fucktard until I see somebody acting... well like you ---and most people I have encountered from Calgary---do far far too often.


And sorry Adam, I couldn't TELL it was a "Exactly like a real rally".
The various cars didn't look like real rally cars, they were , what I could see, far too pretty or kitschy.
The in car and out car videos didn't look like or sound like people were "pushing"...looked as I said, more like Targa where most are "cruising" and then bullshitting on their brand forums what a REAL full on Professional RALLY-Race they're racing in with their street car.

Sorry it wasn't instantly recognizable...

By the way, Adam tard that was 2 apologies sosmileys with beer



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