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I only have two things to say:
Don't make the "threat" unless you are willing to carry through with it. Part B of that is you are going to be sending home quite a few people methinks  Drivers be drivers, and drivers only hear one thing: FAST!
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Banned Ultra Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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Banned Super Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
I'm regularly astounded with speeds/behaviour on recce.
At last year's Rocky Mountain Rally I clearly stated in the recce directions exactly where (as in exact mileage into the transit) where one of our radar locations was going to be. I think it was 11 cars that were caught speeding more than 20% over the (absurdly low) speed limit. The point was that it was a small, and sensitive, community. I had one driver pay a speeding fine say 'it was worth every penny.' I should have excluded him on the spot but didn't see the path in the rule book at the time. (and I was rather stunned he actually said that.) All that said: rather than being punitive, in particularly sensitive areas it is better to put your manpower at the start of the section to remind people to go slow and put event signage out as a reminder to the competitors and a visible indication to the community/stakeholders that you are serious. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Jay Woodward Super Moderator Location: Snohomish, WA Join Date: 12/21/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 893 Rally Car: '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege |
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I support any and all action against people violating the GRC's of our sport. I support suspension of future events as well. The same people that are the offenders, are -supprise supprise- the same ass hats that do stupid ass things on race day as well. The behaviour is not a one day "I just was not thinking". What it is about the US competetors that have such an aversion to Recce? I just don't get it. Intercom and electronics dude. www.zerodegreec.ca Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2013 11:28PM by zerodegreec. |
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John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Ya know, for a person so full of exaggerated self-righteousness ---I am referring to your astoundingly stupid sending of dictionary definition of "defamation" in that outrageous PM you sent---you'd think if you were expecting to be taken seriously that you wouldn't twist the rather neutral, rather casual statement Jay made "would not hurt my feelings to just lose recce. Better that than the damn rally." where he nuanced it--gave it a clear context---but you respond with by painting as if he expressed "some aversion" to recce.. You don't get it because there isn't a widespead aversion..Most down here are new converts, most have very little experience, just like up there, most are consumers, just like there, and 99.8% are casual hobbyists, not real dedicated racers, so anything they can do to further the illusion that they are "real serious, just like the heroes " they watch on You-Tube. So extra time for volunteers is expended, extra time for competitors has to be found, the inanity of having to drive some civilian car is overlooked all so that 98% can drive down these wide open roads at average speeds no faster in actual speeds that 20 -25 years ago and many even slower---few people averaged 43 mph then...fewer still in the 30s... But hey they saw the "heroes" doing recce, everybody else says recce is vital, the loudest voices keep screaming "it's all about SAFETY!!!!! and since you and your peers in all certainty know nothing about the rise of recce in Italian and French events in the 60s (routes being declared open a month in advance, local police being more than happy to close roads with a moments notice so that the heroes of that time could practice each stage up to 10 times at speed) or the debates why amongst the best drivers in the whole world why some say NO, (The Scandinavian and Finnish drivers saying it was antithetical to the idea of real rally as a test of driving skill--as opposed to giving and receiving dictation)) why get upset and once again start slinging your insults around ? Do you always read malicious or evil intent into everything you read.? . If you learned to read better you might not get as angry as frequently and then write silly things and send absurd PMs full of insults. Did the schools up there go to hell 20 years ago like in some of the places down here that are similar? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Banned Super Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Don't make the mistake of confusing Jemba with time (really) for one pass as being the same as two pass, make your own notes, recce. The Jemba notes at Oregon were frustratingly inconsistent in a couple of areas. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Banned Super Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Ya know, an interesting thing happened around here when we adopted two pass, make your own notes, recce. Novices, in their first event, started finishing.
When I finished my first event as a driver - the last event that was 'blind' in the region - I was congratulated for being the first first-time driver to finish an event in a 'long time.' I got all my seat time from that event - an that can't be a bad thing can it? Ok, we still have the occasional newbie who doesn't make it to the end of their first event, but it is less common than before by a long shot. Double OK, I'm being all provincial and only looking at what's happening in my own back yard. Yup - 'cause that's what matters to me and that's where I know all of what's going on rather than just some select stats in isolation. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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