John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
John Lane Mega Moderator Location: Lynden Washington Join Date: 01/14/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 725 Rally Car: The Fire Breathing Monster |
Banned Mega Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
John (Lane)
My comments were from an organiser's perspective - and one that has dealt with recce for many years! First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Banned Mega Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
See, that thar is the precise problem. The variable quality of the routebook comes in to play far too much. Nope - far less than that. A total of about 8 events on routebook only, 6 of which had good books. (Westwick's books are heavily detailed) I don't know. How many have you done... you're being kind of whiney. (actually, I am curious about how many two-pass, write your own note, recce events you have done.) As for the 'whiners' (who aren't actually whining, they're just saying what they want and what they are willing to put their entry money into) I suspect many haven't done any blind rallies. Some have, but certainly a minority if you're talking about Canada. But those who say 'whatever' are also used to the PNW 'barker books' and arrows on every instruction. I'd strongly suggest that is out of the ordinary - certainly from my limited experience it is. Beyond that, how many of the people saying 'whatever' have done a lot of their own note writing. It makes it a different game altogether. (I'd ask how many also want the local knowledge advantage that comes with a blind event, but that's kind of rude, so I won't) It ain't about 'being soft' it's about knowing what you want and what you enjoy combined with not wanting to spend thousands to do something you don't enjoy. I've known more than a couple of people who have 'grown up' rallywise on notes who have done a single blind event and said 'that wasn't any fun at all, I won't bother doing that event again.' (and that was on a 'good' routebook) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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adam crane Godlike Moderator Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: 01/28/2006 Posts: 382 Rally Car: corolla GT-yes |
This isn't recce or no recce,
This is 'Fuck you and your asshat friends, get off my land' Adam V. saying all drivers hear is 'Fast' is something a flat-brim would say. If a driver is happy to pay a fine, make them sad by kicking them out of NW rallies, and escorting them to personally apologize to the ticked off landowner. And where did this talk of 'be serious about that threat, Gene, Alan' come from? If you've never had a conversation with an organizer, try having one while you're writing the 'I'm an asshole check', and they're trying decide whether this is the last year they put up with this shit. Some bawlsy shit happened at the MTC final check-in at Oregon Trail by people who should have known better. Stink-eye wouldn't cover 1/10th of the look I was given by the guy on his front porch, and I was going the quiet zone speed limit. The only people with the power to make a good decision at that point, were the ones in the loud obnoxious cars. Speeding though town was never the right choice. If you appreciate the opportunity to play in the woods, and be a competitor (which recce certainly helps with), then you have to Respect everyone who has worked to give you that opportunity, and any conditions placed on that opportunity. There is a speed limit, and a consequence. If you can afford a rally tire, you can buy a GPS (your phone), which is accurate relative to the speed of LIGHT. No excuses, no 20%. Don't be a dick, and expand your brain beyond the helmet sized Ego bubble that you're floating in. 
-Addressed to Idiots, and 'un-cultured infants' "I put the hurt on dirt" - adam crane http://CraneRallyCrew.com corolla gt-s "Patches" Op: S.S. |
Jason Hynd Godlike Moderator Location: Oak Harbor, WA Join Date: 03/16/2007 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 333 Rally Car: XR4TI a slow build! |
Banned Mod Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
Uh, nope, I'm saying it as a co-driver who has over 30 events under his belt, a volunteer that brings that to over 40 events, and the guy who masquerades as trying to help out rallying in Western Canada. Nice try though. Obviously, the statement wasn't aimed at people who are serious about their driving (which is like 5% of all rally drivers). Most drivers have SERIOUS listening issues that will never allow them to ever be truly "fast".
Quiet is subjective. My rally car is one of the loudest around. If somebody decided to go "you were too loud in the quiet zone" and I asked for the DB results and they didn't have them, it's a rally that I wouldn't be going back to  . The 5 under rule is fine, as long as it was stipulated in the routebook as being such (we've had these on dusty transits that run right by farmer's houses).
As for someone that thinks his results from decades ago means anything, somehow his experience trumps others.  Same ol' same ol'.
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Simon Wright Professional Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 10/19/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 161 Rally Car: Rally Spec Focus |
Until then, follow a friend around at 30 and 20 and even, if needed, 10 mph. Choose an appropriate gear and memorise the rpms needed to maintain those speeds. Voila! A speedometer! 
"partial panel" Simon Simon Wright Owner/Driver USUK Racing - Home of the USUK Racing LED Light Bars! North America Rally Map |
John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Better yet get a nice new Magic Marker and write on the tunnel II--25mph=2150 (gear..II.......speed 25 mph....2150 rpm) or whatever needed. 30km or whatever. You have it right by the gearshift in large, friendly letters. We are talking driver ya know... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Banned Mega Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Hmmm... somehow I missed this classic piece of JVL diversion.
Local knowledge is AN advantage. It can't help but be an advantage and having drivers that drive harder and faster still win doesn't negate that. BUT, that's not saying it is a decisive advantage on its own. I'm not sure who you're talking about here. Wil Orders is in his early 30s - hardly aging - but was driving his monster 240 by another name. Brendan Reeves is 25 - even less aged, but driving the non-turbo 1.6l you mention. How did Reeves stomp on the competition? There are a couple of factors at play here. - This isn't just playing around for Reeves and his co-driver. They have lofty goals and treat the sport like a professional endeavour in all aspects. - They made their own pace notes. Very different from what we see here and including VITAL information for the fiesta to shine. - He actually pushes the car. - He's coming off of two years of the WRC Academy, which means learning EVERYTHING about rally, including physical and mental conditioning. This is where they would have learned to make good notes in two passes of a new road. THEN how do you explain my best national results being at events I had never done before? And rusty.[/quote] You were faster than the other drivers? While it might seem like a flippant answer, it isn't meant to be. There are a number of factors at hand in any win and the why of the win - at our level - rarely comes down to a single factor. Local knowledge will very rarely be a 'decisive' factor but to dismiss it a one of the factors impacting performance - even in recce events - would be foolish. Local knowledge will always be a factor it's just that recce goes a long way towards leveling the imbalance. If you tool two equal drivers in equal cars and put the in an event where one driver had done it once, twice or thrice before and the other had never been on the roads in the area before who do you think would win? Do you seriously think that recce wouldn't close the gap between them? First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Banned Mega Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Why do I sense 'better get my tach working then' coming next. :-) Just because I have to disagree with John for the sake of I'd also say follow a friend you trust and who isn't in your class to set the speeds ;-) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah but your statment implies they don't listen to somebody--who presumably KNOWS BETTER in the car...when I say they don't listen to anybody...That for example is your problem: You imagine you "are somebody", and don't listen... Fuck me your smugness is astounding..
No it is measurable--if a local is complaining that is the measurement that counts einstein.
Fix it then. What the fuck is your problem? You have this giant compulsion to get noticed, well TRY DRIVING GOOD and NOT CRASHING. That will get you noticed more than being loud and obnoxious.
Fine, see you later .
Naturally...but there is something called eyes and some people have something called "brains" and some even develop something called "judgement" and "situational awareness' so the see a house near the road, they know the major difficulty above everything else in North American rally is securing road permissions and they on their own can figure out "Maybe I should be smart and slow down a tad" even if they haven't been explicitly told to.. For a guy who thinks he's sooooooooooooooo smart and "seen it all" you'd think you ought to be able to reckon that out.
None of the results anybody does here means anything. But it is an extremely stupid person who thinks experience means nothing if it didn't happen yesterday. And it is a really extraordinarily stupid person who thinks they know everything in advance of doing things.. You are really a fool Adam...and it wouldn't be so bad if you weren't so obnoxious when you've done nothing in this sport. Nothing. Except run your mouth. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2013 10:51AM by john vanlandingham. |
John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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Banned Mega Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Crowded-schmowded. Big letters on a post-it note covering the not-working speedometer. Easy-peasy. Obvious-pobvious. Easy to see, easy to find and 'always there' as a reminder. ALWAYS make important things easier when you can. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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