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Who are the people that want to do recce?

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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 09:26AM
I missed recce at stpr. Bad preperation for the rally again! Was bummed out but after the rally started i was fine with it.

Magnum will be my first total blind rally so could check back after that.

I know being new with notes when I get off or lost I really want my co driver to get back on track. I personaly slowed down and made sure there werent any gottchas coming up. As soon as we found our spot I felt more confortable to go faster. Still not fast enough to catch Fong and the rest of the fast guys.

Yet 2 stages later we were on our notes and it didnt stop me from a dumb driver error and getting high centerd on a calvert! Sweep pulled us out and we blew the turbo the very next stage. bad luck weekend but had a great time cant wait till next years stpr!



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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 09:50AM
Hey Hoche! not to derail the thread - damn trees decided to come pick a fight with us again complainin' we were spraying dirt at 'em all weekend grinning smiley.

j/k. we apparently lost a tie rod nut in the middle of SS13, 2nd to last real stage. this became more apparent when we lost steering right before a 6L. got on the brakes, and barely bumped a stump. crew got another nut back on, and we drove it back to the super special, but was too late. wasn't one of those things we had thought about, but maybe i should make a thread on rallyanarchy about other things we haven't thought about but you guys have thought of and now bring in the car on each rally tongue sticking out smiley

west coast probably not in the cards for us this year. vartan probably wants to keep driving his car this season winking smiley.
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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 09:58AM
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I missed recce at stpr. Bad preperation for the rally again! Was bummed out but after the rally started i was fine with it.

Meh it happens

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Magnum will be my first total blind rally so could check back after that.

I know being new with notes when I get off or lost I really want my co driver to get back on track. I personaly slowed down and made sure there werent any gottchas coming up. As soon as we found our spot I felt more confortable to go faster.

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Yet 2 stages later we were on our notes and it didnt stop me from a dumb driver error and getting high centerd on a calvert!

If you had 2 pass recce that would have never happened...
Tweet and FB the organisers that you won't come back until they have 2 pass recce.


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Sweep pulled us out and we blew the turbo the very next stage. bad luck weekend but had a great time cant wait till next years stpr!

Yeah , where was your spare turbo? You did bang that on didn't you?
You do have a spare waiting in service ready to do quick change,


dontcha?



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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 10:02AM
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sorry, thread was starting to get a lil' too serious.

No problems, mang.
Derailments?
No problems

Relax. Be happy...



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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 10:02AM
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Hey Hoche! not to derail the thread - damn trees decided to come pick a fight with us again complainin' we were spraying dirt at 'em all weekend grinning smiley.

j/k. we apparently lost a tie rod nut in the middle of SS13, 2nd to last real stage. this became more apparent when we lost steering right before a 6L. got on the brakes, and barely bumped a stump. crew got another nut back on, and we drove it back to the super special, but was too late. wasn't one of those things we had thought about, but maybe i should make a thread on rallyanarchy about other things we haven't thought about but you guys have thought of and now bring in the car on each rally tongue sticking out smiley

west coast probably not in the cards for us this year. vartan probably wants to keep driving his car this season winking smiley.
Nut on the knuckle side? Are they pinned or safety wired on EVOs the same way Subarus are?

We bought a replacement tie rod end for a friend's car from Advance and it didn't have a hole in the threaded rod for a pin, just a lock nut. I didn't like it.



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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 05, 2013 11:49AM
Yeah i got 3 or 4 spare turbos in the car with me. But seeing I was allready playing with the last on road and running for fun i figure we should stop while were ahead! Even if i did change the turbo on the side of the road I was still 5 quarts to low on oil! The crappy thing is the go pro shows my dumb ass putting the car in reverse to back into creak at 2 mph! dohh!!

I will say I gained a lot of respect for a lot of drivers, co drivers this weekend. This shit is tuff!



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Re: Who are the people that want to do recce?
June 07, 2013 02:06AM
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Actually Billy, you are #6: Takes all their vacation time rallying and bring the family along. Now if Mary wasn't along and you were leaving her home to fend for herself and never doing stuff together, you'd be #5.

I think there's maybe been once in the last 10 years that I took vacation time that was to do something with family that wasn't my significant other and that was a family reunion thing in California.

Believe me... Mary still lets me know that she doesn't think going to a rally qualifies as a real vacation. Although this year, between her co-driving for Erika and us having 2 more potential events she said she would rather save her vacation for rally this year.

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Need to stir things up some more, it's been too quiet lately.
IMHO, they must be primarily,
#1. People that own their own business therefore they have the capital and taking time off from work is a total non issue.
#2. They are wealthy (or daddy is).
#3. They are retired or for another reason don't work (wife is C level exec).
#4. They are part of the young generation that I frequently hear about that often just don't show up for work with no explanation/reason.
#5. They take all their vacation/sick time and spend no vacation time with family.
My $.02. I'm probably way off base but I want to hear how you think they manage it.

I'm in the #5 group. I wouldn't say that I don't get to spend other vacation time as I get 156 hours of vacation time a year. I run a work schedule of 9/9/9/9/8 one week and 9/9/9/9/off for the second week. I shift my Friday off to the rally, shift my 8 hour day to the Thursday before. Typically take the Wednesday off prior as well. So for every rally I only need to take 17 hours of leave. That would, in theory, allow me to run 9 full blown recce events a year.

I only drive 2-4 events a year, this year is an exception since I'm co-driving for Chris Greenhouse as well and helping out at events that Mary is co-driving for Erika Detota so I'm burning a lot of vacation time this year.

This. Exactly. Though I suspect we'll both be on 8's with Fridays free soon.

And actually, since neither Billy nor I show up at 9 events per year, or burn all 156 hours (that's 4 hours short of 4 weeks), I woudn't bin us in #5 either. [OK, I don't, maybe he manages to pull that off?]

Well sort of on the 8's. We were allowed a crazy exception so I'm getting three 9's, four 8's and a 5 with every Friday off. At least it helps me for vacation time since I get Friday unpaid, Thursday will be my 5 hour day and Wednesday my 8 hour, so I'm only going to take 13 hours for NEFR.

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... The best part is if you pay for recce and notes you actually can completely discard them and write your own (but that's hard to do on 1 pass).

I think that's the whole point of forcing the purchase of notes prior to recce, however. The intent is a "notes familiarization pass" more so than a set the book aside and write from scratch. One pass has always seemed to work for provided note familiarization.

I know that for anything that we have two passed, there has always been a bit of extra clean up (usually +/- or shifting a corner up or down) the second time through. That said, with decent enough video, I'm sure you could pull of a write from scratch and review on video to get them cleaned up.

The point of forcing the purchase, is that people who are experienced at making notes would still likely say that a 1-pass recce and making their own notes they would trust it more than just running off the Jemba or trying to make it THEIR notes. You can then refine the notes through video review after the fact as well. But if everyone just made their own notes, then the Jemba cost doesn't get divided up evenly and you end up having the cost go up 2 or 3 times depending on who is not buying the notes.

The issue with Jemba is that it's how a computer reads the road, not how YOU as the driver see or want it. Greenhouse likes going through and having us write down notes and then compares it to Jemba to see if he did it right. Really, it shouldn't matter. If you think a turn is a 5 and always call it out as a 5 when you make notes and you know how fast and what gear you need to take a 5 it doesn't matter. But a 5 for one person can be different to another.

More or less when I do recce, I'm marking any left/right over crests, marking which turns link that Jemba didn't catch, putting in cuts/cares/cautions/brake or just simply dumbing down directions or just deleting all the fucking smCr that are in the notes that are completely useless.

An example I see a lot you'll have a L4 30 L5 60 L2 150. I'll usually dumb that down to L4<>5<>2 but depending about that L5 in there might even just call it something else.
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