Who are the people that want to do recce?

Actually Billy, you are #6: Takes all their vacation time rallying and bring the family along. Now if Mary wasn't along and you were leaving her home to fend for herself and never doing stuff together, you'd be #5.

I think there's maybe been once in the last 10 years that I took vacation time that was to do something with family that wasn't my significant other and that was a family reunion thing in California.

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Need to stir things up some more, it's been too quiet lately.
IMHO, they must be primarily,
#1. People that own their own business therefore they have the capital and taking time off from work is a total non issue.
#2. They are wealthy (or daddy is).
#3. They are retired or for another reason don't work (wife is C level exec).
#4. They are part of the young generation that I frequently hear about that often just don't show up for work with no explanation/reason.
#5. They take all their vacation/sick time and spend no vacation time with family.
My $.02. I'm probably way off base but I want to hear how you think they manage it.

I'm in the #5 group. I wouldn't say that I don't get to spend other vacation time as I get 156 hours of vacation time a year. I run a work schedule of 9/9/9/9/8 one week and 9/9/9/9/off for the second week. I shift my Friday off to the rally, shift my 8 hour day to the Thursday before. Typically take the Wednesday off prior as well. So for every rally I only need to take 17 hours of leave. That would, in theory, allow me to run 9 full blown recce events a year.

I only drive 2-4 events a year, this year is an exception since I'm co-driving for Chris Greenhouse as well and helping out at events that Mary is co-driving for Erika Detota so I'm burning a lot of vacation time this year.

This. Exactly. Though I suspect we'll both be on 8's with Fridays free soon.

And actually, since neither Billy nor I show up at 9 events per year, or burn all 156 hours (that's 4 hours short of 4 weeks), I woudn't bin us in #5 either. [OK, I don't, maybe he manages to pull that off?]

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So what is better? Recce or good notes? How much of a difference between them for the average guy?

I would put good notes above recce although I have always run with Jemba except one time with Tim O generated notes. Jembas are pretty good but a little bit screwy. I've found that we are usually just "correcting" the notes during a one pass recce. Had the opportunity to run two passes at ESPR but one pass was enough to get things straight. The one time with Team O Notes it felt like Tim was on a different road but it was only my second event so who knows. Can there be a #7: Trying to balance family and rally?

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So what is better? Recce or good notes? How much of a difference between them for the average guy?

I would put good notes above recce although I have always run with Jemba except one time with Tim O generated notes. Jembas are pretty good but a little bit screwy. I've found that we are usually just "correcting" the notes during a one pass recce. Had the opportunity to run two passes at ESPR but one pass was enough to get things straight. The one time with Team O Notes it felt like Tim was on a different road but it was only my second event so who knows. Can there be a #7: Trying to balance family and rally?

I'm in for a #7 as well.

Agree on good notes over recce, and I certainly don't mind jemba and find it to be very consistent, probably because it's always P-Sport doing the notes on the east coast.

I did run 1 event on organizer notes in Canada and didn't care for them even with recce.

We're used to 1-pass recce and are usually only looking for "gotchas" or landmarks, we do not make many changes to the jemba.

does that make me #8 use all my vacation on rally because single, but also poor

In regards to recce being a must; there are events that will only let you run Jemba if you have completed recce (so it's "optional", otherwise you are on the route book. I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

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In regards to recce being a must; there are events that will only let you run Jemba if you have completed recce (so it's "optional", otherwise you are on the route book. I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

Notes is notwithstanding all the claptrap about alleged "safety" all about going faster.

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In regards to recce being a must; there are events that will only let you run Jemba if you have completed recce (so it's "optional", otherwise you are on the route book. I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

That was the rumor around the time we started but I've never seen that in writing in a rule book or supps.

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In regards to recce being a must; there are events that will only let you run Jemba if you have completed recce (so it's "optional", otherwise you are on the route book. I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

That was the rumor around the time we started but I've never seen that in writing in a rule book or supps.

Translating Kevin speak. There are events that will only let you run Recce if you have purchased Jemba (so it's "optional"... Italics mine.

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I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

Last time I drove (lspr 2007) I was able to keep up with the other g2 guys. 2nd in class on 4/5 stages on day two. On tulips. And these are the "bad" tulips that sometimes would have a mile or two between calls.

Any time I'm out in the woods racing is a good time to me. Notes are good because they give the codriver something to do. I dont think I'd do recce, though, if I didnt have to. The extra day is too much added time away from home/family/work for me. I also wont be towing to far away events (more than 6 or 8 hours away) because the long tows arnt worth it to me. Luckily for me I live less than 5 hours away from 4 or 5 events, 2 of them are 2 day events, too. And realistically 4 or 5 events is probably more than I could do in a year.

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In regards to recce being a must; there are events that will only let you run Jemba if you have completed recce (so it's "optional", otherwise you are on the route book. I've never seen a team running route books do very well against teams on notes????

That was the rumor around the time we started but I've never seen that in writing in a rule book or supps.

Translating Kevin speak. There are events that will only let you run Recce if you have purchased Jemba (so it's "optional"... Italics mine.

But I'm ass-uming that recce is then "Free" so it's a deal at twice the price!
Buy Notes get recce free!

Choice! Options!, serving individual needs and whims. Ain't Amerikuh great?

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Translating Kevin speak. There are events that will only let you run Recce if you have purchased Jemba (so it's "optional"... Italics mine.

Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense based on how the rules are written. The best part is if you pay for recce and notes you actually can completely discard them and write your own (but that's hard to do on 1 pass).

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... The best part is if you pay for recce and notes you actually can completely discard them and write your own (but that's hard to do on 1 pass).

I think that's the whole point of forcing the purchase of notes prior to recce, however. The intent is a "notes familiarization pass" more so than a set the book aside and write from scratch. One pass has always seemed to work for provided note familiarization.

I know that for anything that we have two passed, there has always been a bit of extra clean up (usually +/- or shifting a corner up or down) the second time through. That said, with decent enough video, I'm sure you could pull of a write from scratch and review on video to get them cleaned up.

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Maybe lets slow down with the name calling. People have different likes and dislikes, I hate the term whiney and such. it restricts open conversation and idea sharing. When communication slows so does progress.


So what is better? Recce or good notes? How much of a difference between them for the average guy?

I am a new kid on the block, but I like doing recce and I can't imagine running without it. I'm also excited to write my own notes for the first time at Nameless. Call me a geek, but there you go. I am a rally geek.

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Maybe lets slow down with the name calling. People have different likes and dislikes, I hate the term whiney and such. it restricts open conversation and idea sharing. When communication slows so does progress.


So what is better? Recce or good notes? How much of a difference between them for the average guy?

I am a new kid on the block, but I like doing recce and I can't imagine running without it. I'm also excited to write my own notes for the first time at Nameless. Call me a geek, but there you go. I am a rally geek.

which one?
jonathan? jordan? joey? danny? or donnie?





































yes, I had to look that up