Who are the people that want to do recce?
Posted by imnotcrazy
Andrew_Frick Andrew Frick Junior Moderator Location: Greenville, SC Join Date: 05/18/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 684 Rally Car: Rally Spec Ford Focus |
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12xalt "oh! you're the one!" Godlike Moderator Location: Hazel Dell, WA Join Date: 02/22/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,390 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt, under construction |
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Mtngirl Kathy Hardy Infallible Moderator Location: Issaquah, WA Join Date: 08/27/2012 Posts: 13 Rally Car: 1980 Volvo 242 |
I had no idea what cool piece of intel you were referring to, so I typed those names into google. NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK????????????? I canNOT believe you know the names of the members. I don't think I even know one of their songs. You have officially scared me off from ever using that term again... |
heymagic Banned Ultra Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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acrane adam crane Professional Moderator Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: 01/28/2006 Posts: 382 Rally Car: corolla GT-yes |
I want to do recce.
I've seen the opinion of 'fast guys' and I'd like to be included in that group, but the thing I'm missing is their 'fast cars'. John Lane - woah. Tom B - when the turbo's working Guys with Turbos (too quick Rabit) Cody Crane Guys with Ford Raptors on big ass tires on wide ass roads with great views of the road. the guys that don't care about recce and still drive fast also have more offs. (cody, cody, cody, tom, tom, john). All fast drivers get there by finding the limit (byron Garth). Being able to read the road is a GREAT skill, and having started racing when there were more blind events then recce, I feel like I've picked it up well. My crash-out rating after 30 events has been VERY small, but my results with basically the same car have gotten better. -experience and Notes. I've heard several people tell me they drive faster when they don't have notes. In my experience, I feel like I'm working harder, and making the car work harder, but not making up any time. It's exciting, and fun, and a huge rush, but not faster. Here's my deal - (and Brendan Reeves') - you can't use the brakes for free when you've got 1.6l of Go. If you hate seeing Me, Garth, Hubbes, Hoche-Mong and Al Kun up in the results, pushing our cars, take away the notes. At Oregon Trail, you could kiss my ass goodbye without Britta calling flat over crest. Beating Chris Greenhouse in the Turbo SRT-4 on those flat stages(ss15). We can all agree that John V hasn't driven at a rally in awhile, and maybe we all just ignore him a bit because of that, but of all people I think he'd REALLY enjoy a recce event. (without any sarcasm-) He loves conversation, He great at making predictions based on a single observation he raves about the benefits of driving miles on gravel and his delightful SAAB is no rocket. I'm asking John and the rest of the No's to admit that there is a place for Recce. So far the arguments against are (and my comment), Organization issues (eliminate recce and notes -seriously) competitor time/money issues (choose your priorities) it's only for show (speak for yourself) we don't need it (speak for yourself) It doesn't improve finish rates (speak for yourself) it creates a breed of needy, 'racers' who demand it (I have a preference for many things, but don't NEED anything - trust me when I say Recce isn't the thing stopping me from entering your event) Here is an event I'm not racing. for those who want to solve this issue with video recce, Here you go - That isn't the answer I want, but I would struggle through it to get up the results. "I put the hurt on dirt" - adam crane http://CraneRallyCrew.com corolla gt-s "Patches" Op: S.S. |
Racinkid13 Max Junior Moderator Location: Durham, NC Join Date: 02/04/2009 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 611 Rally Car: 1983 MKI GTI |
The reason Im doing recce is because this IS my first rally im driving. First time dealing with a codriver (no negative tone implied). I dont want fac talk with my codriver then blindly hop on stage and find out i havent a clue as to what the hell hes tryin to say (even if it was you John V). Im doing it so i can get dry runs in with him so we can figure each other out and so he can guide me. They offered it, so im taking it. I dont want to start learning at stage 1. Starting to get a feel for my car at stage 1 is different, IMO. I know recce wont make me a Block or Sainz, but at least Ill get learning experience and some sort of seat time out of it. Thats exactly how i see it. more time to learn. They offer, ill take. they dont. Oh well.
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12xalt "oh! you're the one!" Godlike Moderator Location: Hazel Dell, WA Join Date: 02/22/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,390 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt, under construction |
well said and pretty much the same for me however, if it wasn't offered, I'd still be entered, pretty sure you would be too, imo it's all good either way, I'm just happy there are rallies Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2013 03:21PM by 12xalt. |
TronDD Tim Meunier Junior Moderator Location: Boston, MA Join Date: 10/27/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 252 Rally Car: 96 Subaru Impreza |
That was the same for me. On my first event, we only got a through a few staged of recce before running out of time. It was nice to get an idea of what the notes in the book looked like on the road, before approaching it at race speeds. On the other hand, I am not yet fast enough for not doing recce on all the stage to have slowed me down.
Individual preference aside, I suppose there is a sweet spot in one's confidence, experience and skill versus how hard they push where recce is most beneficial. When I was young and didn't know how rally worked, I thought it was that the co-driver went out and did recce and wrote the notes and the driver went in totally blind. The co-driver would be the one who knew the roads and had to relay the important information to the driver who's job was to figure out how to drive it the fastest way possible. Tim. |
Racinkid13 Max Junior Moderator Location: Durham, NC Join Date: 02/04/2009 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 611 Rally Car: 1983 MKI GTI |
yeah, i wont be turning down a rally for no recce. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Adam nobodys is arguing NO RECCE;
au contraie manure, everybody who has any brains is saying recce, no recce, notes, no notes, route book or no route book, or whatever---just roll with the punches, go with the flow, glo with the schmoe.... Personally I have since I was a child been dismayed and disgusted at the push by some people--usually uncreative, uneducated, conservative and stupid people to push for and praise--AND DEMAND uniformity.... probably because from birth to now there's always been 2-3 nationalities and languages in my house at least and all going on at the same time, you better be flexible... And I did do note event--Mt Hood with Alberti Kunkanen...and I did enjoy it..of course. it was a great fall day, Al is a real interesting guy who I like and respect, we did one pass, and considered just how much info I could reliably spit out and he could RELIABLY take in.... But saying "I like" or "I enjoy" are inarguable...."I likes stoneground mustard" can't dispute that... 2 Pass Recce is NEEDED...well watch out "Ever since we had 2 pass recce we had less crashes on noc=vice"----stated that way it implies a causative relationship---sorry that a questionable conclusion.. No real ONE ANSWER. If organisers can swing it, if assholes can control themselves and not jeopardize the event's return, if the river don't rise and we have the time off, OK.. Of course I still say that 99% need more practice other than occasionally at events. That's under the ol' First things first.. Basics before advanced. All of us are on basics---or we would be sponsored and famous. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Adam nobodys is arguing NO RECCE only
au contraie manure, everybody who has any brains is saying recce, no recce, notes, no notes, route book or no route book, or whatever---just roll with the punches, go with the flow, glo with the schmoe.... Personally I have since I was a child been dismayed and disgusted at the push by some people--usually uncreative, uneducated, conservative and stupid people to push for and praise--AND DEMAND uniformity.... probably because from birth to now there's always been 2-3 nationalities and languages in my house at least and all going on at the same time, you better be flexible... And I did do note event--Mt Hood with Alperti Kunkanen...and I did enjoy it..of course. it was a great fall day, Al is a real interesting guy who I like and respect, we did one pass, and considered just how much info I could reliably spit out and he could RELIABLY take in.... But saying "I like" or "I enjoy" are inarguable...."I likes stoneground mustard" can't dispute that... But to claim 2 Pass Recce is NEEDED...well watch out "Ever since we had 2 pass recce we had less crashes on novice first run"- ---stated that way it implies a causative relationship---sorry that a questionable conclusion.. No real ONE ANSWER. If organisers can swing it, if assholes can control themselves and not jeopardize the event's return, if the river don't rise and we have the time off, OK.. Of course I still say that 99% need more practice other than occasionally at events. That's under the ol' First things first.. Basics before advanced. All of us are on basics---or we would be sponsored and famous. PS Adam your tubes will be ready in a couple of hours..Inserts not too nice. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/26/2013 11:17AM by john vanlandingham. |
Creech Scott Creech Junior Moderator Location: Jane, MO Join Date: 12/02/2012 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 415 Rally Car: Audi 90 Quattro (WIP) |
BringIt. Seasick Steve was an appropriate touch, don'tchathink? Parfois, on fait pas semblant! I am: I know: I am from: Nobody. Nothing. Nowhere. |
heymagic Banned Ultra Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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stgallagher Sean Gallagher Elite Moderator Location: Santa Ana, CA. Join Date: 06/16/2011 Age: Ancient Posts: 70 Rally Car: Ford Raptor |
Bill Holmes and I were 1st Overall at Gorman Ridge last year on the route book only. Everybody else wrote their own notes on a 2 pass recce. Sean Gallagher 2WD...Less Traction More Action! |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Super Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
Sean, that's a bit misleading. You recced it, and you and Bill have been over those roads so many times that I bet notes would be pointless. I know they were for me. I made Marie sick about a mile into the final Powerline stage, drove the rest from memory, and still beat you guys.
As for me, I like blind routebook-only rallies. I also like organizer-supplied notes with single pass recce. I also like write-your-own two-pass. They all give different flavors to an event and that's fun. What I dislike is the dogmatism that says all events have to be run a particular way w/r/t recce. And I particularly get annoyed when people whip out the "oh, it's safer" argument. No one has EVER been able to prove that one way or the other. The sample set is small, and the set of incidents that've been properly reported and analyzed is even smaller. From my perspective, recce is a pain in the ass, generally because of the reasons listed above - I have to take an extra day off work, I have to pay an extra hotel night, and then there's the biggest pain of all, figuring out a recce car. However, I will generally do it if offered. I have been known to skip recce before, particularly for events which are far away. From an organizer's perspective, I also found recce to be a pain. NNR was split into two single-day events, and we quite a few people that only wanted to run the second day. Well, doing recce before the event would've screwed over those people, so we ended up doing recce for each day before the start of the day's event. That was fine, except that it made for a very long day for everyone - and interfered with our ability to get started on time. Self-righteous douche canoe |
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