Nice read about some Clubbies in OZ
Posted by john vanlandingham
John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Fun read
http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/64027-how-not-to-build-a-rally-car/ But what a POS they started with.. I thought of the years of people "wisely" advising people "Buy a used car, you'll be in the woods sooner leanring to keep your momentum up!" and at the huge pile of crap and massive amount of work the author had to do just to get it to a beginner spec... Thing like---so typical--this: 
Nice to see people have the presumption of normal attention spans down there. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Oliver Klozoff Super Moderator Location: Oregon Join Date: 09/10/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 480 Rally Car: Nada |
well it's all relative in my opinion, sure you can go buy a finished rally car and be on stage the next day, but you pay for that luxury.
I don't think people should have false expectations of buying a cheap rally car and expect that same luxury. With cheap rally cars in my opinion you buy a cage and a log book, the rest needs to be sorted and done right. I still to this day recommend a new comer buy their first car, just because you never know what you really want. when i started I thought i want AWD because that's where the cool kids hang out, come to find out, that's not as fun as RWD. So I'm glad I bought my first just so I could figure out what I liked and didn't like. now i just buy cheap rally cars just so i can rebuild them back to my invision of what they should be.  "Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty" |
"oh! you're the one!" Mega Moderator Location: Hazel Dell, WA Join Date: 02/22/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,390 Rally Car: 1974 Dodge Colt, under construction |
Grant Hughes Super Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
So someone on the other side of the world had a beat-up old rally car and fixed it.
It kinda boils down to this: - Not all used cars are 'smart' decisions - Not all builds are 'smart' decisions - if you buy a used rally car, expect to strip it down and re-prep it. It'll still cost you less than starting from scratch.- Building almost universally costs more than buying and re-prepping - Going through the effort, time and money of building your first car without knowing if you want to continue with the sport is fairly silly. (unless building is PART of the sport for you) - I suspect more builds are abandoned (at a financial loss) without being rallied than used rally cars are. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Clearly you do since it's your business. (And it is transparent that people building is better for business.) But, dealing with beginners and dealing with beginners with build needs are two different things. You see more of the people who buy cars that need a lot of work. If someone buys a car that is actually ready to rally, then they likely won't be looking for your help. On that note, of the cars that have traded hands locally for as long as I've been around - which admittedly isn't long - very few have been basket cases or have needed major work to get them onto the stages. Like I've said - I've seen more abandoned builds than basket case used rally cars, by a long shot. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
No i donät do cages, Iäm too busy making things... Itäs trasparent that you are trolling by trying to underhandedly, and scurrilously suggest that I would say what I say for "business reasons" but then again that's the sort of person you are---backhanded, and cowardly. and that is why I dilaike you and don't respect you. YOU are the one who hints of things "we're working on--buit we can't say" repeatedly But since you know nothing really of this, see if you can THINK about your weasly accusation: I posited that far too often guys have to do ALL THE SAME STUFF, so there is "better" if they buy a POS and re-do everything or do it right in the first place.
A huge understatement...I see cars that are beat to death shit that have cages and everything else is shit.
Oddly as soon as they do an event and see how horrible the alleged "ready to rally" car was, then they call anyway.
You just had what? 12 cars at Cochrane? I don't think you see a lot of cars. Also money flows like oil up there, a lot of people pour a lot of money into their playthings and that ain't the case down here for many in many parts of the country.. Conservatives have not totally ruined the economy as we had occur here from who knows when to the economic collapse by the Finacial sector, you local economy is still based on primary extractiion  il .
I haven't althought there are some cars that the foolosih boys started, then got married, bought houses, changed jobs, had kids. Obviously they weren't serious enough, they should have stayed home with Mommy anmd daddy to save money...Oh wait that hasn't worked so well either. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/04/2013 11:46PM by john vanlandingham. |
Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
But that's just it. I'm agreeing with you that there are some used cars out there that need a shitload of work, some to the point where it WOULD be better to start from nothing. But, I'm also saying that if you buy carefully, most of the used cars out there are serviceable enough to get you through your first event, or two, or three, and will be a fraction of the cost of building from the ground up. [[quote="john vanlandingham"]A huge understatement...I see cars that are beat to death shit that have cages and everything else is shit.[/quote] And nobody says those don't exist - just that not all used cars are beaten beyond usability.
17 actually, only 4 of which were built from the ground up by their current owners. 5 were the first event for new owners. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Peter Nazarewycz Mega Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/23/2012 Age: Settling Down Posts: 76 Rally Car: 96 Honda Civic Hatch |
I always wondered what would happen if nobody built cars and only bought used ones. what are some of the problems with used tired cars that makes the cage unsuitable? just keeping up with rules? personal preference? shitty work?
I'm glad I was able to build my own car, but it is alot of hard work and hours. Although I did have the car caged and did my first TSD ( while no cage was needed, i still felt pretty awesome I was able to accomplish it) 4 months after the purchase of the car. It helps if you are able to build your own cage. I payed about 700 in material and was lucky to have a really close friend that is a very competent welder that traded welding for help building his garage (which I would have helped with regardless and I think he would have welded for me regardless as well) and the other key is alot of time and a gf that has her own hobbies to keep her busy and is understanding and awesomeness to support you. I did have the buy the bender with the die for 500. So that added up as well. (are tools part of car cost? i suppose they are and you can divy up the cost when you use it again haha) I'll admit though looking at used cars it definitely seems like less money when you consider all of the spare parts and rims and tires and all that junk that typically is sold along with the car. there are a lot of little things that add up really really quick. And I would definitely buy a used car if you are unable to do your own cage and fabricating. Best case I think would be if you can temp someone that knows what they are looking at to come see the car with you as a sort of inspection! I'm always posting on Instagram...follow me! PeteNaz Instagram My Build
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Grant Hughes Super Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Damn, I'm slipping... forgot to call you out on this one:
And here I thought I said what I said in open, plain language. You have a business where you deal with and provide services/products to people who are building rally cars. Clearly you would tend to take more with people who are building (or rebuilding) rally cars and see fewer of the people who have bought cars in good shape. Beyond that, the more people who build, the more potential business for you. That isn't suggesting you're sitting back, wringing your hands like some cartoon villain, tricking people into building with some dark, ulterior motive. It remains that some of the most common advice out there is that first timers should 'buy, not build' their first rally car and if done carefully that is sound advice. Like all advice, it isn't absolute - so not all used rally cars are deals nor are they all used up - and it won't always be the right answer for everybody. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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