Nameless Rally Cloquallum Stage

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Tingwu Song is Chinese and lives in Denver apparently.
Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US.

And don't blame Martin for what happened. He wasn't happy with what his driver did.

alan

Dunno, seems to me by staying in the car he supported the driver's decision.

The balking was on the last stage. As soon as the car went through the MTC, Martin got out of the car, really pissed off.

I have doubts whether they intentionally shorted stage 3.

alan

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Tingwu Song is Chinese and lives in Denver apparently.
Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US.

And don't blame Martin for what happened. He wasn't happy with what his driver did.

alan

Dunno, seems to me by staying in the car he supported the driver's decision.

The balking was on the last stage. As soon as the car went through the MTC, Martin got out of the car, really pissed off.

I have doubts whether they intentionally shorted stage 3.

alan

good to know, thanks for the clarification

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Tingwu Song is Chinese and lives in Denver apparently.
Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US.

And don't blame Martin for what happened. He wasn't happy with what his driver did.

alan

Dunno, seems to me by staying in the car he supported the driver's decision.

Wha's a poor bstid 'spossed to do? Hit the harness and shout Geronimo!!!!! and bale out?

At finish or start or atc with only 3 wheels, methinks it wouldn't have needed to be so dramatic as that, or as painful.

However, for the sake of entertaining the volunteers, sure, he could have added the theatrics.

Ah! That's good thinking! ( i swear it didn't occur to me--all i was thinking was Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!---then again how many times in my life have I baled on myself and found myself bouncing along the dirt at 40 mph---or 60!!!?
(Serious, the mind is a funny thing---I pictured jumping out and bouncing along--that could only be in the head if you've done it---a LOT!)

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I have doubts whether they intentionally shorted stage 3.

alan

So they drove through banner guard which should have been obvious, did not turn around when their notes didn't match the road, kept driving through more banner guard, which didn't apparently tip them off they had made a wrong turn, and finished the stage never knowing they had gone the wrong way? Maybe because the banner guard was so close to the color of their car they couldn't see it and that's why they never informed the finish control they had "accidentally" driven through it. I find this all very hard to believe.

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I have doubts whether they intentionally shorted stage 3.

alan

So they drove through banner guard which should have been obvious, did not turn around when their notes didn't match the road, kept driving through more banner guard, which didn't apparently tip them off they had made a wrong turn, and finished the stage never knowing they had gone the wrong way? Maybe because the banner guard was so close to the color of their car they couldn't see it and that's why they never informed the finish control they had "accidentally" driven through it. I find this all very hard to believe.

Strange! But true!

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Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US Ireland.

Fixed it for you.

As for finishing the event... he's one of the few paid co-drivers out there, that really changes the dynamic.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

If I had to guess witch we are all doing here. I would say they missed the corner went down a bit to turn around seen the other tape and said oh the road comes back we will reneter there. By now there slow and decided the time from missing the corner would be a wash. If they new it was a short cut it could of been a long cut for all they new. If they have a mirror to even know banner tape is gone or thought there was a marshal there to fix it.
Now they have a choice tell at the end of stage or go on. Hind sight says at the end of the stage say hay I might have knocked down some banner tape.

Of the 13 how many said the tape was missing? Of the 13 drivers how many fixed the tape to assure the rest of the fields safety? my guess is zero. Were the 13 the first 13 because after 13 cars the rest of the field would be able to decifer the tracks and trust the notes to stay on course.

As for the last stage not sure what I would do. You old timers say POR yet on here with him your pissed. You all have stories of straps and wood hold suspension together. Now you have a leader broke on the last stage could still have a podium yet mad because he didnt quit. Ive hurd on here before about using rocks as a counter weight now hes dumb for driving with it slow on the last stage. All teams would have to know he was running slow he started the stage first and every body new in the control he was adding balast to POR. Not sure if I would be mad at him or shake his hand for finishing a very tough rally.

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I didn't get the impression anyone was mad at him for trying to finish. I got the impression that they were mad at him for not allowing others who weren't broken to go in front of him, knowing they would catch him and knowing that they would be stuck going slower because of all of his dust.

I dunno who was working start, and I dunno what I would have done in the situation if I was working start, it's not something that typically happens. But seems to me that if he'd allowed the ones he knew he'd be holding up to go in front of him, his start time would have just been adjusted by the start crew with no penalties as he'd already checked in to atc on the right time and is from there assigned a start time.

If I'm wrong, sorry (and don't let me work starts, haha)

Yeah but us old-timers had back when we weren't so old timers the gawd given sense to know when we were caught to get the fuck outta the way, or idf we were fuxxored from cleaning off a corner, to let others by...
At the former POR, then Lake Superior, when I caught and rode the bumper of the newly crowned PGT national Champeen, caught her in less than 4 miles and change, SHE marched back in the snow and said more or less "I don't know what the hell got into you but dammit you're jumpin ahead for the next one! its 6.something and I don't want to be causght again and haft stress out to find a spot to pull over"

SHE came to me and said "Go Ahead"

That's why she's a good sportswomen and a good competitor.

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It's amazing how hind sight is so perfect.
Two things that 26 or so people failed to think of AT THAT MOMENT, but have probably occurred to all of them now.
1. Red cross. Who knows who else is down there or which way they are going or where the road goes.
2. Marshall/Block it yourself. Park your car across the junction, get out, direct traffic. Ask for a good time for the stage later and sleep well knowing your sacrifice may save lives. Plus then you can brag about a 85 minute stage time later to your friends!

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It's amazing how hind sight is so perfect.
Two things that 26 or so people failed to think of AT THAT MOMENT, but have probably occurred to all of them now.
1. Red cross. Who knows who else is down there or which way they are going or where the road goes.
2. Marshall/Block it yourself. Park your car across the junction, get out, direct traffic. Ask for a good time for the stage later and sleep well knowing your sacrifice may save lives. Plus then you can brag about a 85 minute stage time later to your friends!

Word up.

I missed out on this whole debacle by putting the car in a ditch on the second stage, (and my ultra-sharp navi would never have let me take a wrong turn)...

but the best thing to do is learn from this whole thing, and thank the lucky starsit wasn't as bad as it could easily have been.

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I have doubts whether they intentionally shorted stage 3.

So they drove through banner guard which should have been obvious, did not turn around when their notes didn't match the road, kept driving through more banner guard, which didn't apparently tip them off they had made a wrong turn, and finished the stage never knowing they had gone the wrong way? Maybe because the banner guard was so close to the color of their car they couldn't see it and that's why they never informed the finish control they had "accidentally" driven through it. I find this all very hard to believe.

One reason that I have doubts is that their stage time wasn't fast enough compared to Hendo and O'Driscoll. It is comparable to how fast he was compared to them on the previous stage.

alan

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Of the 13 how many said the tape was missing? Of the 13 drivers how many fixed the tape to assure the rest of the fields safety? my guess is zero. Were the 13 the first 13 because after 13 cars the rest of the field would be able to decifer the tracks and trust the notes to stay on course.

13 cars took the actual shortcut. Meaning they drove straight on through and connected up with the course bypassing part of the stage road and a Ham radio checkpoint. This is how we know 13 cars took the shortcut, they never went past that Ham but they finished the stage. However, there were several more cars ( I don't know the exact number) that caught their mistake and turned around and rejoined the stage where they left it and completed the full stage and drove past the Ham checkpoint. Then there were the two cars that collided on the side road shortcut area and remained there.

So you can see what a cluster the scoring was on that stage. Some cars were way too fast because they didn't drive the whole stage, some cars were delayed because they got lost but found their way back to where they went wrong (force majeur, sure) and two cars crashed into each other because of the confusion. I think roughly only half the field actually completed that stage properly without making the mistake. Alan or Gene probably have a better idea of the actual number.

Gene's decision to throw the stage was the only way to handle it, in my opinion.

We don't have an exact count, I did hear of two more close call incidents. The cars that missed were strung thru the starting order, fast, slow, experienced and rookie .

We'll cover this a bit at the next event as not what to do to minimize risk.

All in all a great event that seemed well liked by competitors in spite of a few small hiccups. Nice to see competitors smiling and all the cameras and picture takers.

i seem to recall the secret shortcut in video games actually giving you EXTRA points... jeesh

sounds like a spot for a marshall next year. and maybe more visual cues like a haybale? or even those silly construction barrels that flash.

wish i could have made the event!

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