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sounds like a spot for a marshall next year. and maybe more visual cues like a haybale? or even those silly construction barrels that flash.

There were a number of points where Nahwatzel North could have been shorted. One of them might even save you more time than the five minute penalty for deliberately shorting the course.

Next year isn't an issue because the configuration of Nahwatzel changes almost every time that it is used. The short cut opportunities will be different next year.

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I guess I was thinking on the last stage he new he was going to be 5 plus minutes slow and more then 1 team would have to deal with him. If he lets 1 car go then the next car in line is mad. all 5 plus need to pass him. all get the same times no advantage seeing he was first on the road. He pads his spot by 20 30 sec and possibley stays up front in the end. Now if he was really pushing and not looking out for the next car then I can see there being issues.

When I went off at Magnum they give me a 2 min window so I wouldnt catch the next car as easy. Then they reseeded me back up later.

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If they took the shortcut on purpose, why did I beat them (and everyone else) in a slower car? I think they realized they had gone off course and slowed/stopped to think about it before proceeding. I barely slowed down at all, assuming my co-driver had just gotten lost in the notes, as she is occasionally known to do.

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If they took the shortcut on purpose, why did I beat them (and everyone else) in a slower car?

probably because you're driving a terrible, horrible, no-good, very-bad unrestricted G5 car, which must be slowed down at all costs!

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I also heard that they loaded the passenger side of the car up with a crap load of big rocks to help balance the car. Any guesses how smart of an idea that would have seemed if they had rolled?

It would have served as Chlorine in the shallow end of their gene-pool. Better lucky then good for them.

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Tingwu Song is Chinese and lives in Denver apparently.
Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US.

And don't blame Martin for what happened. He wasn't happy with what his driver did.

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Dunno, seems to me by staying in the car he supported the driver's decision.

Wha's a poor bstid 'spossed to do? Hit the harness and shout Geronimo!!!!! and bale out?

At finish or start or atc with only 3 wheels, methinks it wouldn't have needed to be so dramatic as that, or as painful.

However, for the sake of entertaining the volunteers, sure, he could have added the theatrics.

Ah! That's good thinking! ( i swear it didn't occur to me--all i was thinking was Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!---then again how many times in my life have I baled on myself and found myself bouncing along the dirt at 40 mph---or 60!!!?
(Serious, the mind is a funny thing---I pictured jumping out and bouncing along--that could only be in the head if you've done it---a LOT!)

I was only that drunk once. ONCE. Three somersaults and done - faceplant in the (literal) dirt. Luckily, I seemed to be a bit tougher than I looked, shaken but not stirred. The dog I was launching through the air, barking hysterically at - never chased nor barked at my friend's car again....

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Tingwu Song is Chinese and lives in Denver apparently.
Martin Brady is Irish and lives in eastern US.

At finish or start or atc with only 3 wheels

Those Honda ATCs started with three wheels, finished...sometimes no.



I looked pretty much like this at age 9. Which is why I can't ride a motorcycle for sheeiiit.



I was only that drunk once. ONCE. Three somersaults and done - faceplant in the (literal) dirt. Luckily, I seemed to be a bit tougher than I looked, shaken but not stirred. The dog I was launching through the air, barking hysterically at - never chased nor barked at my friend's car again....

JV was talking about falling off motorsickles.

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And Anders, should you happen to be reading this.
FIRST THINGS FIRST is a good principle.
First thing is a clear simple, standardised format...

Oh, I wrote that a year or two ago, when I offered RA software so they could score their regionals. It's aged a bit (so the nav links don't work and you need to scroll down) but it looks like this:

http://www.nasarallysport.com/results/2013-Nameless-Performance-Stage-Rally-Nameless-Rally---National-FF-1.htm

I haven't had lots of call from the scorers/events to merge it in with the rest of the results, so it hasn't been a priority. My general thoughts on scoring software these days go toward increasing speed and adapting to different work flows.

If I have an afternoon where I'm bored, I may put it back in, just for you John.

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LET ME SHOUT...COMPETITORS..do not keep coming over to the scoring car and asking when will it be done. Every interruption is a delay of twice the time. Seriously. Stay away unless asked for info.

One time I got out some hearing protection ear muffs while scoring at the end of the night. Whenever anyone came up I would look up, smile, look down and keep working. I also have a pre-printed sign I bring with me which says:

"SCORING IN PROGRESS
Trust me, we want this done
even more than you do."



To add to Gene's comment, when people come up and ask me about some timing thing, I always say "ok, file an inquiry". Dealing the the paper is faster, 90% of the time, than listening to the entire story. The other time waster is when people hand in an inquiry and then want to verbally describe it. What racers don't know is that this doesn't matter... because I (or whoever is getting it) won't remember whatever you're saying. There's too much detail and too much noise. Honestly, if you're turning in an inquiry and think it will help to explain it... you haven't written your inquiry properly.

It's very difficult to appreciate as a racer, but this may help:

For Nameless, there were 1559 time-of-days entered into the system by Alan. Imagining that there are 3 digits for the car numbers, and 6 digits for a time of day, we're talking 14,039 numbers. Over fourteen THOUSAND digits of numbers.

Just let that sink in for a minute. Another minute. Over fourteen thousand digits of info.

That is a LOT of information. (Now, of course, we don't have to put in the 00 seconds on arrival controls and such and there are some other short cuts... but, ok, so maybe it was only 10,000. ONLY 10,000. )

It's late, I'll write more later, but if in your mind you weren't imagining 14,000 digits as the starting point for the discussion... I'd love to have more volunteers who would like to broaden their mind and try scoring for just one event.

Anders

ps: scoring is actually a really fun part of the event. the pressure is ridiculous, the workload is crushing, and the deadlines are impossible... but isn't that like every other part of rally?

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It's late, I'll write more later, but if in your mind you weren't imagining 14,000 digits as the starting point for the discussion... I'd love to have more volunteers who would like to broaden their mind and try scoring for just one event.

Anders

ps: scoring is actually a really fun part of the event. the pressure is ridiculous, the workload is crushing, and the deadlines are impossible... but isn't that like every other part of rally?

I'd consider it, but I like Alan too much to have him end up in jail for murdering me.


I figure with stuff like scoring you've got people who are "fuck that" and those that would be "oh fuck me" and then those that really try but would get "wtf, fuck you" if they tried.

I can do some things, but don't expect me to understand any of it and don't even try explaining it, show me, if I get it great, if I don't, get rid of me before I can muck it up (or change everything and make it my own).

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If they took the shortcut on purpose, why did I beat them (and everyone else) in a slower car? I think they realized they had gone off course and slowed/stopped to think about it before proceeding. I barely slowed down at all, assuming my co-driver had just gotten lost in the notes, as she is occasionally known to do.

We have no proof they took the shortcut deliberately. Hard to explain the time differences. We never considered giving him alone a penalty for the shortcut either. As I mentioned I'm uncomfortable with the wording in NRS regs about short cutting. I would say the time might indicate a lack of intent to cheat (ruins a good conspiracy theory for some) , but he may have had trouble somewhere else and still made up time. Who knows, it is a moot point as the stage was scrubbed and not for his actions alone either. I would be hesitant to publically declare him a cheat, Martin certainly not. SO lets move on with this one please. There were so many people having fun and that is what should be remembered.

I like working FF and start. I like start more since you get to interact with the codrivers (and no one notices i write the wrong hour for half the line up). Even tho they pelt you with gravel. Thats why i was so slow off the three starts. being nice to the volunteers, since im no Grunholm. Yes, FF is a cool job, especially when both clocks quit working mid stage and you have to go off your watch that you luckily set to Rally time. Im with Merrilee, id rather not be smothered in my sleep for doing more then writing the wrong hour for half.

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There were so many people having fun and that is what should be remembered.

I'll second that! What an awesome event. Amazing roads and awesome people. Best Olympus/Nameless I've ever been to!

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I like working FF and start. I like start more since you get to interact with the codrivers (and no one notices i write the wrong hour for half the line up). Even tho they pelt you with gravel. Thats why i was so slow off the three starts. being nice to the volunteers, since im no Grunholm. Yes, FF is a cool job, especially when both clocks quit working mid stage and you have to go off your watch that you luckily set to Rally time. Im with Merrilee, id rather not be smothered in my sleep for doing more then writing the wrong hour for half.

no no no, never ever spare the start crew from rocks, the more rocks the better the story to tell to everyone that wasn't there

I promise to do my best (when/if my car ever runs properly enough) to hit as many people with rocks as possible!