Surprised not to see this anywhere else (RWV WRC?)

Lessee, where to start:
- Plenty of rooms at Snowshoe seriously, not a problem there. However, wait staff and food service numbers may not be in line with a big event, though they seem to survive the GNCC and support the ski crouwds. Spectators need to be like in Sweden and ready to cook out; a problem but a solveable one, IMO, as long as it is recognized.
- I don't see one single person posting so far that would likely have any knowledge of the political and economic drivers in WV. Take your experiences and perspectives in the PNW and most all the rest of the world and throw them away...seriously. The probable political support and willingness to make things happen to support something like in WV this would surprise you.
- Road use problems: I can't readily see the comparison between Olympus and WV. Perhaps if someone would clearly explain what happened in WA state would help everyone decide if this is the same as far as road loss, but just having it happen up there does not necessarily translate so this should be rejected at this point without further info, IMO. The ownerships and motivations to support this type of thing are very different from what I can see; the environmental factions are not nearly as virulent. The land is to be used, not locked away, in WV.
- Money? Yep I don't dispute anything that has been said. I would not try it! But that does not say anything about others. Could be a big disaster.....but could be OK. I expect some connections exist that are different from other NA events that have done the WRC thing; combinations that end in disaster do net mean that all such attempts will end the same. I expect it is a scene with a high probability of failure but not guaranteed to be so. We all know others who succeed at things that we cannot do ourselves.
- Yes, I can see the crowding out of the local events and the old local volunteers. Not sure how the ever change any of that. Maybe have a companion event at another time of year? But, really, what to do with an event's future IS the decision of those who own the event, isn't it? You or I may not like or agree with it, but we don't own and run the event(s). IMO, doing all the very, very hard work to put on a major rally event, and taking on the personal financial and legal risks involved, EARNS the owner(s) the right to do as he/she/they please.

Well, regardless of the good or bad expressed here, it is going on SOME sort of path. It'll be an interesting ride either way.

WRC is all about TV anyway, so the surrounding population base is not irrelevant but not a deal breaker. Heck neysayers would say You can't have a WRC rally that CLOSE to a huge population center, think of the inconvenience.

Rally fans will travel from everywhere to see the show. I would.

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WRC is all about TV anyway, so the surrounding population base is not irrelevant but not a deal breaker. Heck neysayers would say You can't have a WRC rally that CLOSE to a huge population center, think of the inconvenience.

Rally fans will travel from everywhere to see the show. I would.

What you say "WRC is all ...." only holds somewhat true since crazed megalomaniacs like Dave Richards secured worldwide TV rights and poor gullible people listened to him (and others) , changed the rules to the current-ish rules allowing cars totally completely unrelated to any road going car, and we ended up with 1 Factory team and a barely self sustaining "works team"

But in general, taht is wrong..
I presume you do not read much of other countries magazines, newspapers, blogs etc...

To most of the world it is more than "all about TV"

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The toughest part is that you need to plan for a significant influx of spectators since many WILL travel to see the event. This means selecting stage roads that have easy access for spectators and media (likely discounting good stages because of lack of access) and having the staffing and infrastructure in place without knowing what the demand will be at the end of the day. You need to plan for multiples of 1000 yet budget as if you'll only get hundreds.

How much of the success of an event is based on the spectators? From what I know of the roads (used last year, some of which were definitely used again this year. And the map seems to indicate similar roads for the new ones used this year), There is very little access for spectators unless they'd get in real early and then you still have the problems of where to park cars, etc. They are in the middle of nowhere. Period. Which is good otherwise, but bad for spectators.

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Yes, I can see the crowding out of the local events and the old local volunteers. Not sure how the ever change any of that. Maybe have a companion event at another time of year? But, really, what to do with an event's future IS the decision of those who own the event, isn't it?

Local regional participants are key to any healthy racing series IMO. As somebody pointed out about the GRC on ten-tenths.com, manufacturer support is fickle and can change at virtually any moment. Relying on others to support your event is not a good thing. Sure, the people who "own" the event can do whatever the hell they want. Doesn't necessarily make it smart, and it certainly doesn't do anyone any good for a decent event to wind up bankrupt or defunct just to be another FIA lackeye. You don't (generalizing) actually "know" the answers/truths to a lot of the statements you have made; no one does, as it's never been done at Rally WV. Until it were come to pass, it is a very hit or miss thing in my mind.

To build an event on the "unknown" wishes of others seems foolish. We have two examples of this horribly flopping in about the past two decades. If the FIA/WRC WANTED an event in North America, they'd make it happen. If what they really want is more money, well, they'll gladly let people pay them "money for nothing".

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Also, I think you have to look at what the WRC is defined as. I would argue that in this day and age of commercialization, it's become much less about the sport (which is why less people care about it). The FIA already has TWO commercialized series that highlight small, fast, awd cars, the GRC and ERX. Both have great TV coverage, both are setup for commercialization, etc etc.

And all of this (before the edit) is heresay until I see a press release saying they are doing anything more than trying to be a FIA affiliated event.



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How much of the success of an event is based on the spectators?.

Any WRC event will need to plan for spectators. This would include separate access roads and good spactating areas with ample parking and staffing.
Considering the event will be looking for ~2 million from tourism agencies, people better be showing up in numbers.

From an event budget standpoint. Budget for no spectators showing up but staff for more than you can handle.
As a cautionary tale... When Rally Norway was run in -30c, almost no one came out to watch and the event lost huge amounts of money. (and they probably still had 10 times the spectators of most of our events.

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FIA already has a WRC event in North America, in about the only place it could possibly happen....

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FIA already has a WRC event in North America, in about the only place it could possibly happen....

But some north Americans don't consider that to be a North American country because they're better. Those others don't speak 'Merikan so they are considered worthy.

And those North Americans who have the moxy to have the State, and City and corporate and enormous public support do something that no other so called "big time" event do: co-operate and bring over skilled resources...

Ever notice the amount of French names on the organising team?

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If the FIA/WRC WANTED an event in North America, they'd make it happen.

From my experience, given the FIA/WRC level people that I've spoken with, this statement in no way correlates with the way the FIA actually works.

The FIA doesn't "make a rally happen" any more than CARS does, or RA does.

Anders

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If the FIA/WRC WANTED an event in North America, they'd make it happen.

From my experience, given the FIA/WRC level people that I've spoken with, this statement in no way correlates with the way the FIA actually works.

The FIA doesn't "make a rally happen" any more than CARS does, or RA does.

Anders

I never said anything about making a rally happen. I said the FIA/WRC having an event in "northern" North America. If it's in their interests, they'd do what they could to help is all I am saying.

http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/07/07/wrc-news/wrc-heres-why/


Olympus was a drivers championship only if I remember correctly , John, Dave ???

Make much more sense to have a Canadian WRC event being they have a closer affiliation with Europe and the FIA. Larry the cable guy country seems a stretch but good luck if they really can swing it.

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http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/07/07/wrc-news/wrc-heres-why/


Olympus was a drivers championship only if I remember correctly , John, Dave ???

Make much more sense to have a Canadian WRC event being they have a closer affiliation with Europe and the FIA. Larry the cable guy country seems a stretch but good luck if they really can swing it.

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87 and 88 was "full" champignonskit if you call 29 at start, 21 at finish cars full.

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