Surprised not to see this anywhere else (RWV WRC?)

WRC has become irrelevant, just the same as all the other sports where the "things' have become unconnected with any person watching..
Just as irrelevant as the various "National" series where only 2 or 3 crews can afford the spend millions. Basically "who cares anymore when I will never ever get to even sit in a car like that, much less ever drive or own one".

The cars are "interesting" but only in an abstract way, interesting to see, but the critical part , the "identification with" is gone, as we knew it would when FIA introduced the class "World Rally Car" allowing the manufacture of just 20 "kits" (to allow the turbo 4WD-ing of any car made in minimum 20,000 units) which brought us Corolla World Rally Car, Escort World Rally Car, Focus World Rally Car, Peugeot World Rally Car, Citroens World Rally Car, is series of max 20.....as opposed to the old Group N and A where they had to make 5000...enough that eventually 'we" could own a pretty damn good rally car.....

Like when the Olypus was in the early stages, smrater guys than me said "This will vacuum clean up so much time and money that it will hurt the sports development and leave a hole when it collapses"

They were right.

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The FIA is struggling with WRC and the costs as well as the heavy handedness they wield.

Rally and rally cars are no longer pertinent in our modern world. People buy Nissan Jukes, Toyota Prius, and any number of stupid Chrysler offerings. There is no big magic pill from rally to benefit the world. Even a shitty modern car is still pretty reliable, fast and economical.

Homolgated Euro trash rally cars have zero influence in the US auto market, worse now than in the Olympus days.

Any organizer can state they want to approach the FIA about being observed, talk is cheap. Drumming up the money to get it to happen is a major chore as the cost is quite high. Getting someone to sponsor the cost of an actual event is even more unlikely. Having it actually happen is several million to none. Neither the event not the organizer really have the credentials to make it happen.

RWV is a beatiful place with miles and miles of roads it would be cool to see! Probably the only rally in the world with a service area that has a 360 degree view from the top of a montain. Not much for houses either seems like it would be doable there. Good rally even if not a WRC event. deffinatly worth doing!

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Any organizer can state they want to approach the FIA about being observed, talk is cheap. Drumming up the money to get it to happen is a major chore as the cost is quite high. Getting someone to sponsor the cost of an actual event is even more unlikely. Having it actually happen is several million to none. Neither the event not the organizer really have the credentials to make it happen.

It is a Herculean task Gene, but don't be a nattering nabob of negativism. If you don't dream, it doesn't happen, and if you don't try, it doesn't happen.

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At least I got credit for my photo. Just got back from a great weekend there. Doubt it will ever happen here, but I would love to see it happen.

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heymagic
Any organizer can state they want to approach the FIA about being observed, talk is cheap. Drumming up the money to get it to happen is a major chore as the cost is quite high. Getting someone to sponsor the cost of an actual event is even more unlikely. Having it actually happen is several million to none. Neither the event not the organizer really have the credentials to make it happen.

It is a Herculean task Gene, but don't be a nattering nabob of negativism. If you don't dream, it doesn't happen, and if you don't try, it doesn't happen.

Not being negative..realistic. Forespring paid to have one of his events observed. They took the money (cash only btw) and left town. Stating that one intends or wishes to ask that an event be observed is nothing more than idle chatter. Now if the release said that RWV was actually going to be observed that is a different situation. Still a huge waste of time , ok that may be construed as a bit negative

^^ but still realisitic.

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So let me get this straight...

RallyWV has two successful years in a row...so now they're thinking about scaling up the event to International status?

And this entails making significant investments in event infrastructure, probably losing the RallyMoto if it goes FIA, and then paying some people to fly over from Yurrup, wine and dine them, and hand them a Zero Halliburton case full of cash like a Miami Vice drug deal or a protection racket so they can think about allowing you to give them more Zero Halliburton cases full of cash to make the event into a circus when we have maybe 1/4 the rally participation per capita of Canada AND two competing sanctioning bodies that divide the base?

Wow, that's an impressive run-on sentence, and I'm only on my second cup of coffee.

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Are FIA events all unique stage miles? The event ran great all stated miles ran on time, but I believe there was only SS1, SS2, SS5, SS7 that consisted of all other stages. So 16, 9, 24, 10; so about 60 unique miles. Not that i'm complaing, I have terrible luck there but I thought the stages were great, minus the long transit. I just think you'd need about 3x the amount of unique stage mileage; before they'd even consider observing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2013 10:10AM by czwalga.

I haven't dug up maps to verify, but I'm pretty sure several recent WRC events have run stages that "overlap" - ie. part of SS1/4 is used in SS8/10 or whatever. (Mexico, maybe others ?)

Now, if WV was following Idaho's approach (stages run twice each direction), I think they'd definitely need to step things up a bit for a full WRC event, unless the FIA/WRC Commission is really that hungry for a US WRC round. I know when they ran an IRC round in the Ukraine, they ran stages multiple times in both directions - but this also the same event where on one stage the first car on the road caught and passed both 0 and 00...

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Stranger things have happened. Where's your American exceptionalism? If the lowly mexicans can pull it off, what the hell people??? Was it Over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No!

It would be a massive lift. Major corporate/ white knight sponsorship.

They said F1 would never comeback after Indy... Maybe someone should be talking to the Texans. Maybe they already are.

There are a couple guys on here that have experienced FIA WRC events first hand. In FIA homologated cars also, not an add on back of the pack filler class. The fame and fortune have carried us thru the years quite nicely.

It was very cool to see the WRC up close and in person. It was very cool meeting Juha and Juha. It was a great weekend of rallying. And then it was Monday again.

Large amounts of money were spent, sponsors shocked at the little return of investment, massive infighting, law suits ending with a great organizer being broken and forgotten. Can't wait for the next one.

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Are FIA events all unique stage miles? The event ran great all stated miles ran on time, but I believe there was only SS1, SS2, SS5, SS7 that consisted of all other stages. So 16, 9, 24, 10; so about 60 unique miles. Not that i'm complaing, I have terrible luck there but I thought the stages were great, minus the long transit. I just think you'd need about 3x the amount of unique stage mileage; before they'd even consider observing.

It depends on what you mean by unique.
WRC events generally run any given stage twice. You'd run a loop of stages in the morning, do service and then repeat those stages.
I haven't looked close enough at actual stages, but I don't think you'll find pieces of road used for more than one stage very often, same with the same road in the opposite direction. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it isn't common from what I have seen.

Any event will want ~200 miles of unique stage mileage that doesn't include re-use of any stage road.

Edited to increase stage mileage requirement after going back and checking my notes.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2013 01:03PM by Morison.

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If the lowly mexicans can pull it off, what the hell people???

The Mexican event had MASSIVE government backing plus some really solid corporate support.
Generally speaking, the largest piece of the pie in revenues for WRC events will be regional and national tourism boards, not 'traditional' corporate sponsors.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

I don't think the WV economy is a state for the governement to whipping around millions on sporting events. This isn't detriot.

then again... maybe we could do WRC detriot? sure its all 90* turns, but the roads are a lot like gravel and dirt. And its mostly vacant!

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