Surprised not to see this anywhere else (RWV WRC?)

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Gravity Fed
I don't think the WV economy is a state for the governement to whipping around millions on sporting events. This isn't detriot.

then again... maybe we could do WRC detriot? sure its all 90* turns, but the roads are a lot like gravel and dirt. And its mostly vacant!

Some bulldozers could make one hell of set of stages!

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fiasco
So let me get this straight...

RallyWV has two successful years in a row...so now they're thinking about scaling up the event to International status?

And this entails making significant investments in event infrastructure, probably losing the RallyMoto if it goes FIA, and then paying some people to fly over from Yurrup, wine and dine them, and hand them a Zero Halliburton case full of cash like a Miami Vice drug deal or a protection racket so they can think about allowing you to give them more Zero Halliburton cases full of cash to make the event into a circus when we have maybe 1/4 the rally participation per capita of Canada AND two competing sanctioning bodies that divide the base?

Wow, that's an impressive run-on sentence, and I'm only on my second cup of coffee.

Plus Juan.

I think somebody has been huff the spliff too much, and believing the Teee Veee....just where the hell are the _{(FIA homolgated)} CARS in _{numbers enough to fill a start field} supposed to materialise from?

Where the hell are the motel rooms enough to bed down just the crews---not even anticipating 1000 speccies---supposed to come from?
Made-for-TV bullshit like Globular Wawwy-Krozz can run in front of empty grandstands --_{or have maybe 60-80 people strategically placed so they are seen--}-and scream that its a fantastic show---but not a WRC event. 20,000 speccies crawling around Wes virginny back roads would paralyze the region, there would be riots---and as we see:





But above all, like so often in these fap-fap-fap-fests:
WHY? What's the point in the here and now?

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Screw this, this is better that yapping about fappy-fap WRC in fapping West fapping Virginia

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john vanlandingham

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fiasco
So let me get this straight...

RallyWV has two successful years in a row...so now they're thinking about scaling up the event to International status?

And this entails making significant investments in event infrastructure, probably losing the RallyMoto if it goes FIA, and then paying some people to fly over from Yurrup, wine and dine them, and hand them a Zero Halliburton case full of cash like a Miami Vice drug deal or a protection racket so they can think about allowing you to give them more Zero Halliburton cases full of cash to make the event into a circus when we have maybe 1/4 the rally participation per capita of Canada AND two competing sanctioning bodies that divide the base?

Wow, that's an impressive run-on sentence, and I'm only on my second cup of coffee.

Plus Juan.

I think somebody has been huff the spliff too much, and believing the Teee Veee....just where the hell are the _{(FIA homolgated)} CARS in _{numbers enough to fill a start field} supposed to materialise from?

Where the hell are the motel rooms enough to bed down just the crews---not even anticipating 1000 speccies---supposed to come from?
Made-for-TV bullshit like Globular Wawwy-Krozz can run in front of empty grandstands --_{or have maybe 60-80 people strategically placed so they are seen--}-and scream that its a fantastic show---but not a WRC event. 20,000 speccies crawling around Wes virginny back roads would paralyze the region, there would be riots---and as we see:





But above all, like so often in these fap-fap-fap-fests:
WHY? What's the point in the here and now?

Thats one thing RWV does have is motel rooms. It could probably handle the amount of people.

the real question is could the drug dealers supply enough meth to keep the 150 volunteers active to do the job of 3000?

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john vanlandingham
...just where the hell are the _{(FIA homolgated)} CARS in _{numbers enough to fill a start field} supposed to materialise from?

Thing is, enough homologated cars will show up, that's not the problem.
As for filling the field, the FIA will give a let for non-homologated cars to run in the field, just as they have in Mexico.

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john vanlandingham
Where the hell are the motel rooms enough to bed down just the crews---not even anticipating 1000 speccies---supposed to come from?

This is a major concern. The traveling circus that comes with any FIA event is about 1,000 strong, including teams, WRC Staff and Media. That doesn't include traveling fans. I can't imagine a Ski Resort not having that sort of capacity, particularly in the summer, but renting multi-room condos wouldn't be the norm for most of the people travelling to the event. (But they aren't expecting 5 star hotels everywhere either)

The toughest part is that you need to plan for a significant influx of spectators since many WILL travel to see the event. This means selecting stage roads that have easy access for spectators and media (likely discounting good stages because of lack of access) and having the staffing and infrastructure in place without knowing what the demand will be at the end of the day. You need to plan for multiples of 1000 yet budget as if you'll only get hundreds.

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john vanlandingham
But above all, like so often in these fap-fap-fap-fests:
WHY? What's the point in the here and now?

This is a question that needs to have a good, honest and realistic answer.
There are reasons to look at a WRC event. But, for every reason to do it, there is an equally compelling reason not to.

The fact that the FIA, and the WRC Commission, have said they want an event in (northern) North America is likely one of the reasons to push for an event now. From what I've seen, meeting the needs of other people's agendas is rarely a way of ensuring a sustainable event.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

if they want it bad enough they wont charge a fee to come use "their good eye"

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john vanlandingham
Where the hell are the motel rooms enough to bed down just the crews---not even anticipating 1000 speccies---supposed to come from?

This is a major concern. The traveling circus that comes with any FIA event is about 1,000 strong, including teams, WRC Staff and Media. That doesn't include traveling fans. I can't imagine a Ski Resort not having that sort of capacity, particularly in the summer, but renting multi-room condos wouldn't be the norm for most of the people travelling to the event.

From Wikipedia for the resort:

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Wikipedia
The resort has a base of 1,400 condominium and lodge hotel units

The place where we stayed slept 14, but is larger than most. Most of the condos are three/four bedrooms I think.

Lodging is not an issue up there... there's plenty.

Anders

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john vanlandingham

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fiasco
So let me get this straight...

RallyWV has two successful years in a row...so now they're thinking about scaling up the event to International status?

And this entails making significant investments in event infrastructure, probably losing the RallyMoto if it goes FIA, and then paying some people to fly over from Yurrup, wine and dine them, and hand them a Zero Halliburton case full of cash like a Miami Vice drug deal or a protection racket so they can think about allowing you to give them more Zero Halliburton cases full of cash to make the event into a circus when we have maybe 1/4 the rally participation per capita of Canada AND two competing sanctioning bodies that divide the base?

Wow, that's an impressive run-on sentence, and I'm only on my second cup of coffee.

Plus Juan.

I think somebody has been huff the spliff too much, and believing the Teee Veee....just where the hell are the _{(FIA homolgated)} CARS in _{numbers enough to fill a start field} supposed to materialise from?

Where the hell are the motel rooms enough to bed down just the crews---not even anticipating 1000 speccies---supposed to come from?
Made-for-TV bullshit like Globular Wawwy-Krozz can run in front of empty grandstands --_{or have maybe 60-80 people strategically placed so they are seen--}-and scream that its a fantastic show---but not a WRC event. 20,000 speccies crawling around Wes virginny back roads would paralyze the region, there would be riots---and as we see:





But above all, like so often in these fap-fap-fap-fests:
WHY? What's the point in the here and now?

Thats one thing RWV does have is motel rooms. It could probably handle the amount of people.

20,000? speccies and 2000 workers?
That would be a major catatrophic flop by WRC standards.
40,000? Ok the motels, but could the roads?

At popular WRC events with good speccie turnout they are held in places that have been well populated since Roman Empire times.. oooodles and oodles of smaller roads, villages and towns every 5 km--and good tourist infrastructure...motels, hotels, pensionat (like B&Bs in the traditional mold, not luxury resort mold like in 'Merikuh)...


I've only been to 3 WRCs: Olympus 1986---as entrant/driver, 1993 Monte Carlo and 1993 Swedish as speccie..incredibly, despite bazillions of speccies at Monte Carlo we did no reservations in advance and never paid more than $23 for a nice pensionat, and didn't search until dark and never took more than 20 minutes to find some place to sleep...
Sweden was huge problem and expensive as hell because there is very little population or tourism----it's just woods and low level industrial towns...who goes to Hagfors--population 5,400?

This still does not even begin to address : WHY?

And with a good answer to that, there's no way.

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Ya'll are missing one important thing. WRC is changing to a single power stage in 2015! Then it'll be easy!!!

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NoCoast
Ya'll are missing one important thing. WRC is changing to a single power stage in 2015! Then it'll be easy!!!

Oh yeah, forgot. And points for angle and style. And bonus for how much smoke is made.
Yeah! That's the ticket!

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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I would think theres plenty of hotel rooms ,condos. This ski resort is fricken huge.Thats just on the mountain plus the couple small towns have more hotels.

We got lost after the test stage turned right instead of left and drove at least 15 miles down the smoothest twisty gravel road you could find. there has to be at least 200 plus miles of roads out there. We transited 8 miles down a perfect stage road to get to a stage road. I would think it would be more then an adiquit spot for a wrc event. Im sure there are worse venues currently holding an event.

I havent looked at a map but i bet the 23 mile stage could go 40 miles.

We went down a 16 mile stage and I think she called one 250 yrder. Some 120's the rest were all intos or 30,70's these roads are plenty twisty and narrow. off cambers wet steel bridges with no gard rails, piles of logs you name it this rally has it.

Now if it would or could ever happen I dont know. Theres no way after being there would i say it couldnt handle a WRC event. Of the rallies ive been to RWV would have the best chance that ive seen.

Im sure theres others but i havent been there yet.

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john vanlandingham

I've only been to 3 WRCs: Olympus 1986---as entrant/driver, 1993 Monte Carlo and 1993 Swedish as speccie..

You forgot 1988 Olympus as service crew for Niall Leslie. Or maybe you're just blocking that memory out...

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john vanlandingham
20,000 speccies crawling around Wes virginny back roads would paralyze the region

So, sort of like when GNCC comes to Snowshoe Mountain:



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WHY? What's the point in the here and now?

That's a better question than all the rest. Call John.

Cheers!

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