John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Here's some discussion from a Czech guy who has some relationship with the Skoda crews---I have written him in discussions of modern LOOOOOOOOOONG travel suspension, and he had "Only a small file of xx events spring set ups and will look for more complete info"
 and he travels around to events--and as he says, its a small community (and they are much more social people) so he is in the thick of things:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/128975-%5Bwrc%5D-news-rumours-part-ii-692.html
There's some flack from an obnoxious noob know-it-all repeating the party Line and making huge assumtions--clearly never having sat in a rally car.. then:
Mirek answers clearly:
And then today gets better:
Obviously a man of great patience. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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I don't see anywhere in my post of my encounter of the brainiac in the Prius about tailgating it. Good reason for it dumbshit.... I didn't tailgate the Prius.... It is par for the course on your part to ASSume/SPIN the worst. Also no surprise that you delight in bringing up my having fallen asleep while driving a total of once in my lifetime.... I will run into you in person at some point. Don't be an asshole.
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John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
No, ouch to lumbar: 
We don't always have to ourselves understand everything of a process to see the after effects of that process. Sometimes, like in this case, you see a single element change in the equation, then compare previous decades of observation and we see a sudden upsurge in a new outcome and we can make a good bet at the causation. The thing I've seen a LOT of on the billions of French tarmac vids I've seen is a car--low cause its tarmac, and low means short travel suspension, bottoming rear suspension badly to the point the cars are bounced up onto just the front wheels..looks scary and is! Now those hundreds now who have talked with me on suspesnion know I say that for conceptual purposes that front is about control and is what you feel in your fingertips "and rear suspension is what you feel in your butt". So heavy bottoming of short travel suspension and crews forced by office drones and bureaucrats to use HANS suddenly 20 fractured LOWER backs.... Now I just had 2 spine surgeries: cervical at C5/C6 followed about 6 weeks later by surgery at L4/L4....mine weren't fractured but the disc had been crushed to nothingness and the nerves which exit the spine to power things were "severely crushed"....It was incapacitating, no-drug-really-did-anything, grind your teeth to powder pain.. I don't think in the rush to protect the assets of some guy who owns a corporation sanctioning rallies I want to be forced to use/do something that is now implicated in that kind of injury...and implicated by people with far more experience, and far more data to help them analyze things.. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Looking at this photo, I just don't get what caused the impact and damage. The little TR7 got some air over the crest/jump, but they didn't go that far in the air. I am assuming those white staggered signs in the foreground are the distance markers that the WRC cars were measure against. Did the TR7 bottom out and crush the spines of both driver and co-driver upon landing?
image link fail. see this: http://500px.com/photo/44127638?from=set/824588 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/26/2013 01:46AM by SeanP. |
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Look at this photo: http://500px.com/photo/44127636?from=set/824588 Look how the dashboard is folded up, the left side looks smashed in. They impacted something on the driver side hard. What is that white thing to the left side of the rear of the car? Did they hit that? |
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First off: The deaths in Germany are truly a sad incident and I feel not only for the families of the driver and co-driver but also for the volunteers and emergency workers who had to deal with the aftermath of the incident.
That is what this thread should be about. John: You really should be ashamed of yourself for pouncing on the still warm corpses and showing the level of your insensitivity and arrogance by not uttering a word of compassion before condemning the choice of car, the crews choices on the day and then anyone who chooses to take part in tarmac rallies. Then you follow that up by spreading the unsubstantiated rumour that a spectator or photographer was also killed in the incident without so much as couching it with 'early reports said...' Nope, you heard it once, didn't follow up and assumed it was fact and repeated it as such - all within hours of the incident when information was still coming out. In all seriousness, I think you're having some issues. The number of posts you've put online that are nothing but attacks is uncharacteristically high, and unusually aggressive. Your commitment to your ideas and positions is also unreasonably high. There is an old saying that 'if everyone around you is an asshole, they might not be the problem.' Far from being a push to uniformity, the phrase is more about being open minded and less rigid. For what its worth, when I start thinking everyone around me is stupid or just 'doesn't get it' I take that as a sign that I need to slow down and think about what's going on in my own life. On the issue of the HANS device, I'd love to see the report from the investigation. Without seeing the method of investigation, the data and how it was interpreted it really is impossible to reasonably discuss the findings. Did they just look at the number of incidents? Did they do dummy testing? Did they look at other changes, specifically shortened shoulder harnesses? Frankly, the first red flag is that the investigation was performed by 'specialised doctors.' (Common use of 'doctors' suggests physicians and not PHds in physics, kinesiology or any other applicable field. To be meaningful, the investigation would have to had looked at the mechanics of the injury, not just the instances of it.) If I look at the HANS device, I really don't see how it can significantly increase loading on the body in a way that would lead to back injuries. What I CAN see is that the shortened harnesses recommended for use with the HANS could restrict the torso from some up/down elasticity and THAT could lead to some injuries in the right conditions. Like some have said, this may also be a case of a lesser injury becoming more common as a result of protecting against much more serious injuries. An extreme example would be the increase in elbows hitting door bars when they became mandatory. (And no, I'm not equating a fractured vertebra with a sore elbow - it's intentional exaggeration to make a point.) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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John Vanlandingham Elite Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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