HiTempguy Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
I don't think so either, my point is just to see how far behind s/km wise Yeoman is as he is the "next best" currently in the RA series. Antoine ran a VSC car at one event didn't he?
Really? VSC doesn't blow up motors every other event. The same can't be said for FY Racing. So at least in one area, FY is being beat. And the car has nothing close to the amount of suspension travel if videos prove anything. So less power (or less reliable) and not as good suspension/geometry... could be a decent difference. I wouldn't call it "negligible". I strongly disagree, based on nothing but my anecdotal evidence and observations The numbers thrown around were $400k for VSC's spec of Higgin's car. Wasn't Lavec running a VSC car at one point? How much was that one worth and what spec compared to Higgins (I have no idea)? How much TIME (which is money) and money has FY spent to get where it is currently at (including failed attempts, like many motors) versus simply being able to plop down some cash and gain valuable experience racing rather than DNF'ing/wrenching? My point is simply that on some level, the car DOES make a difference (which we all know). Its just fun to mentally masturbate about the "what-ifs".
But what does that mean? At the end of the day, I would think the basics (shell, suspension/geometry, weight, etc) would be similar. Unless he suggested otherwise? Edit- My initial comments were strictly about this: with the 'fast' pack closer to 7 sec/k behind I want to know how much his pace would change to the 7s/km (drop 1s/km? 2s/km? none)? Thats all Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/24/2014 01:22PM by HiTempguy. |
czwalga steve czwalga Professional Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
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Morison Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Yup, owned by Hobbs, who bought it from Levac, who bought it from VTcar - ex pastrami car. So likely FY is closer to the edge on performance with their engines where VTcar has a buffer. All good points. Yes, he suggested otherwise. Essentially, the customer cars are all one generation old with the new spec parts being used on the works cars and the customers getting reman 'new' parts. Probably quibbling over fractions, but not really the same spec. The suggestion certainly was that the same driver in both cars would be slower in the customer car. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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HiTempguy Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
Well there ya go, did not realize that FY is now running VSC engines. Interesting. Wonder if it is a maintenance thing that is causing them to pop, or as Keith said, running on the ragged edge (or maybe they do their own tuning). Either way, my mind is blown at the amount of money FY is spending then |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Mod Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
And he looks a bit younger .. what does he do for a living? does he run a printing press (currency?) or something?
You can run the same motor but does he run the same Tune? could be the difference. would be awesome to see a dyno of any of the VSC 's even if a couple of years old ... anyone? |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
His grandfather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foster_Yeoman So the family got "some" money when they fully sold in 2006. 300 million GBP or there abouts. In 2006 the exchange rate was usually in the 1.8-1.9 range also so over half a billion... I think he may also own a bar/nightclub in Houghton as well. Grant Hughes |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Infallible Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
ooo reference frames. technically the cars that DNF are still doing 1000 miles per hour... relative to the moon.
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Carl S Carl Seidel Elite Moderator Location: Fe Mtn, MI Join Date: 02/10/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 765 Rally Car: 1993 honderp |
I have one from 2008 somewhere. 290hp, I forget if it was 350 or closer to 400ft lbs tq. I imagine they've advanced quite a bit since then. Also, Yeoman is a cool dude. We've been friends since 9 years old or so. |
turoc Ozgur Simsek Mod Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
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czwalga steve czwalga Professional Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
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reecers Reece Mega Moderator Location: Oklahoma City Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 161 Rally Car: 1991 Ej20g'd Legacy |
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Morison Banned Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Now the event is done, Ken's pace compared to the following over the whole event: Stage Winner: Average: -2.21 Sec/k Best -1.13 sec/k Event Winner: Ogier: Average -2.10 sec/k Best -0.74 sec/k Hirvonen: Average -1.82 sec/k Best -0.70 sec/k Kubica: Average* +1.19 sec/k (-1.02sec/l) Best* -0.67 sec/k *Kubica had a rough Second leg, and the 1.19 sec/k includes the stages where he shed a ton of time. The -1.02 average and -0.67 Best remove those bad stages. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Reamer Jeff Reamer Mega Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
I remember a FB post of Yeoman taking his car to VSC for the engine and set up for sno drift this year.
In rally terms Block 2 sec a mile isnt that far off from the leaders. Its apples and oranges i know but if Block were at the last Nascar race Martinsville he would be over 31 laps down! Thats pretty damn slow! First rally 2013 Rally car type AWD subaru Total rallies as driver 6 Total rally cars built 2 Total rally cars caged 3 Total rally cars repaired from offs 4 Total years racing exp other then rally 19 yrs Like 31motorsports on FB! Check out 31motor sales on ebay for used Subaru parts |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
2.2 seconds a km is 3.56 second per mile The real Dubya Arsey guys have gaps like 0,21 s/km http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=13902&s=64843&t=RallyRACC-Catalunya-Costa-Daurada-2014 Or 0,08 s/km over 26.59km or 0.13 s/mile over 16.48 miles Compare Block's 1.92 s/km and you see the difference between a real Dubya Arsey contender and a "Gentleman Driver" just buying a ride and nowhere considered even half seriously. Don't know why but this whole year there has been no comments nearly on (suddenly) Russian driver Urlichich Leonid sometimes known as Crazy Leo in his adventures in Canajian Rally Champ-peenship...and down here sometimes doing RELATIVELY good 3rds OA and around there.. But when there are lots of people with cars as good as he has--- 9-10 seconds/km ( 15.58 s/mi to 16.2 s/mile) slower than the real drivers, and 5.8 seconds/mile slower than the best in the same class. Says something about the role of the CAR I think: with a killer uber-spensive high HP monster---good OA results... Without the car being head and shoulders better than all but one or 2 others, nothing.. Zip.. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Mod Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
That's all due to lack of recce experience. Grant Hughes |