Fly-Half Roderick Thomas Elite Moderator Location: Houston, Texas Join Date: 02/02/2014 Age: Settling Down Posts: 42 Rally Car: I have one now |
We need moar AWD. I say we ban RWD. You can't get results with it anyway because they are so inferior. |
fliz Chad Eixenberger Godlike Moderator Location: Grafton, WI Join Date: 02/01/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 484 Rally Car: 1988 VW Golf #687 |
Fixed so we don't have to read between the lines. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2015 11:45AM by fliz. |
Andrew_Frick Andrew Frick Mod Moderator Location: Greenville, SC Join Date: 05/18/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 684 Rally Car: Rally Spec Ford Focus |
So since we are holding up Hayden's results as a sign that everyone should switch to RWD because it is so much betterer and stuff. I would like to point you to this quote from his website.
Here is the rest of what he has to stay. http://haydenpaddon.com/how-to-get-started-rallying/ I think Paul hit the nail on the head, Better driver on a course that reduced the AWD advantage. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Your sarcasm-fu is strong, Glasshoppah John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Josh Wimpey Josh Wimpey Mega Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
Now you are messing things up Frickersby ! Next thing you know, someone will point out that a built BDA motor from Wilcox runs over $40,000 USD without a starter, alternator, or exhaust manifold. This is like the $500 BMW kinda wins WRC story except it is crappy old econobox actually wins WRC because RWD story. Truth is, the Escort in question is surely pricier than all but maybe 3 or 4 open class cars in the US and is driven by one of the very best. No, your $10k volvo with JVABs will NOT be capable of the same thing....Ever...Even with Hayden driving it. ____________________________________________________________- One. Class -- 2WD www.quantumrallysport.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/pages/Quantum-Rally-Sport/281129179600?ref=nf |
Cosworth Paulinho Ferreira Ultra Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
Shit man, you didnt have to be so obvious. now you dun started it. I'm outta here. PS: Not just the engine costs that much, the ZF 5spd with dogleg 1st is a cheap £30000... But thats just a simple Gr4 build ya know. |
bttmotorsport Jari Hamalainen Junior Moderator Location: Cape Coral, FL Join Date: 12/12/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 119 Rally Car: Opel Monza, Chevy Monza to be finished 2012, BMW 318 iS |
Just a normal group 4 Escort.... Pricetag for car like that 80K? |
ALS FTW Don K. Oates Professional Moderator Location: Strathmore, AB Join Date: 01/19/2015 Age: Settling Down Posts: 137 Rally Car: looking |
$85,000 in engine and gearbox alone, if you want to believe the numbers being thrown around here. What is getting obscured here is a great drive by a 'better' driver. I think good driving, even in a pos car, will give relatively better results here. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Don't believe the figures, they are ridiculous...Double for the motor, several several times for the box.. Embarrassing. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Prices thrown out are a little steep... Looks like $6k Euro for a new trans: http://www.eliteracingtransmissions.com/products/elite-zf-s5-18-3/
Definitely not cheap, but definitely not $30k. |
Cosworth Paulinho Ferreira Ultra Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
Embarrassing is that you sometimes hit the nail on the head, and other times are a complete joke just because of your hoarder mentality. People that dont know always find a way to discredit. Like I said a ZF brand gearbox is about 30k pound steerling and the real ones that pop up get snatched quick. That one in the link is an Elite gearbox, its a reproduction/replacement. Quaife has made junk like that for 20 years. Its still not a ZF. And John, you cant buy a built BDA to historic spec for less than that. Yes you can build some sorry mess in your garage, but then no one would buy it or receive it. But this is independent of the fact that the driver is bigger factor here, and then the type of road allows for momentum to be maintained and it helpts to have the lightest car in the field. Now the RWD vs FWD argument based on this drive is just pure ignorance. |
turoc Ozgur Simsek Elite Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
Quoted from the site: The Products we make: Elite ZF 5 Speed synchro – £5,995.00 Elite ZF 5 Speed Dog engagement – £4,995.00 rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!! |
bttmotorsport Jari Hamalainen Junior Moderator Location: Cape Coral, FL Join Date: 12/12/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 119 Rally Car: Opel Monza, Chevy Monza to be finished 2012, BMW 318 iS |
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reecers Reece Infallible Moderator Location: Oklahoma City Join Date: 03/07/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 161 Rally Car: 1991 Ej20g'd Legacy |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
No, the subject is that to have LOTS of fun AND good results that spending crazy money for turbo and 4wd is not the ONLY answer....That as Paddon just showed and what Brendon Reeves and will Orders also showed when they in their well done 2wd cars beat virually every private built turbo AWD cars, a well built 2wd car is both fun and---if a guy knows how to drive----good enough HERE for very high overall results.... It doesn't have to be a 1600 BDA for whatever they cost, doesn't have to be a ZF box for whatever they cost...since we don't have to build to FIA Appendix K----so it doesn't have to cost 80k.. Engine, box, final drive, diff and good balance... Pretty simple And no surprise that so far nobody gets it. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |