Very enlightening interview with a friend from Norway on analytical driving---and learning.
Posted by john vanlandingham
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Interesting... Can't say I've ever heard the term "nose end first". I am interested in this info and will watch this thread.....yes sir I will.... ................................................. ..................... Support your Local North American Rally Forum!! While they are still around-and get the hell off Farsebook!! We still have Specialstage & RallyAnarchy. Post up Here: https://rallyanarchy.com/phorum/posting.php and here: https://www.specialstage.com/forums/forum.php |
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Sweet... I need new suspension John. My current excuse for suspension is holding me baaack. Now back to Ole's technique. Bad translation of a post copied from norsk-rally.com. To B: Driving technique Nose End First apply regardless of the drive wheels, then you always have driving wheels pointing in the desired direction of movement from the point where you start the exit. Drivers talk about running wide and narrow, without them really have much understanding of what kind of broad, kind narrow drive which in turn results on the stopwatch. This is especially true in the rear wheel. The rear wheels will propel you forward in the direction you ska, from the earliest point possible in turn. It provides the best times. That you have to control the angle of attack, speed and line so that you achieve it. By having too much momentum late in the curve, in combination with other factors, will have to use the drive wheels to keep you on the road in the end, ie the angle of the car in the end is not parallel with the direction you should run ( still skidding, with "wide" output), and the higher risk and worse times. In national (group H) in Norway so the driving style has been very "trillete", meaning that many people choose to virtually push through much of the turn, only to give in gradually as they approach the end. Soren Snartemo is a typical run with this style. This is faster than to drift in output (with excessive angle), and fewer unwanted loss, but it would run even faster if you ran "broader" earlier in the turn, to give even greater impetus in the end. Latvala in Escort is a very good example of such a driving style. and a second post talking about a local kid he is working with To create this thread to tell us about commitment we make with Sindre Furuseth, because it is so different from the many others are doing, and can therefore inspire and motivate. There is of course a full opportunity to ask questions if you have any questions, we will answer to the best ability. First, I can tell about the people involved, and why they are there: 1) Sindre Furuseth - driver Why he is involved should give themselves, but I can explain the little more about who he is: Sindre Furuseth staying in Råholt, is 21 years old and have been doing motorsport since he was quite small. Environmentally damaged by his father, rally driver Vidar Furuseth as flipping. is known to run wide with yellow Turbo Volvo. Sindre started with karting, proceeded to rallycross, put on with dad as codriver in rally has run youth class in the rally, and is now running in NM 2WD, with a Fiesta ST (N7). 2) Olav Bodilsen - trainer Olav is Sindres head coach in terms of driving technique. I've written a bit about him on the forum here earlier. Having been inspired by running phantom Stein Svendsen, who had a very theoretical approach to the subject, has Bodilsen spent 35+ years in-depth study in driving technique, and "professor" in driving techniques "Nose End First", which in short is so Loeb ran, and so Ogier partially running today. 3) Thomas Myhre Hansen - chief mechanic Thomas is even Norgesmester in rallies, and have fought and won against, among others, PG Andersson and Jonas Kruse. Thomas was tapping into when the family Furuseth realized that they were not capable to operate the car well enough yourself, and therefore needed assistance. Thomas is an extreme pedant, and this means that we manage to keep technical trouble to a minimum, and it also allows Sindre running out with freshly washed car after each service. Thomas had really laid up his career when he met Olav Bodilsen. They went around the rally together for a year, and Thomas picked up more and more of Nose End First theory, and eventually had to get tested in practice. Come Backed ended with a championship gold. 4) Øyvind Rødsjø Beckstrøm - codriver Øyvind has been co Vidar Furuseth for many years, and now sits on the Sindre. An experienced guy who has a new glow of this initiative. 5) Ole-Martin Lundefaret (me) - team manager and driving coach I have different experiences from rallying. Both bad (my own driving and operation of rally car) and good (got a ride with a lot of good, ink Loeb, and its jurnalist been a part of a lot of fun). I have pondered very over what is the secret behind it to drive fast in the rally, and no (inc world champions) have been able to answer that until I met Bodilsen. He has spent more than four years to teach me in Nose End First, so in addition to being team manager, I also work as a driving coach for Sindre. I also created an educational program around this driving style. What then is so kinda special about us? The most unique aspect of how we run rally efforts around Sindre is the theoretical approach spring, as matter of course is based on the background of Olav Bodilsen knowledge, as we round also begins to get a little crazy on. With this in mind we will get some choices that others may seem to be strange: 1) We run only with used tires 2) We drive with a car that has a very difficult setup (very under controlled) 3) And we train rallies in many other ways than sitting in rally car on a testvei. Used tires - why? a) We are of the opinion that it is difficult to train during a race if one gets caught up in results. b) We have ambitions that Sindre be World Cup lead. The stages in the World Cup are often so long that the grip is changing very way. Then you have to learn how to make grip, by manipulating the weight of the car. This teaches you best if you have some bad grip, ie used tires. c) We have a limited budget, then used tires are MUCH cheaper 
Difficult layout - why? a) Since setting up the car so you can affect the maximum theoretical choice. If you rely on to make a car easily in the ass (overridden) to get around the corners, so you give away grip, ie the maximum grip / speed you can have in a turn, becomes lower. Citroën especially, but also Volkswagen has built cars for this principle, and therefore must be run with the front versus rear, and where one must create attach themselves. b) By Sindre must create attach themselves and work to get the car to steer, so he learns how he can use the tools even work with the car while driving. Theoretical approach - how? a) We use A LOT of time talking rally theory. Da Nose End First technique often is completely inverted than one might think, so it requires some of the individual to understand it completely. Therefore, we talk so much about it. b) We analyze a lot. Whether on study tours when we're looking at race or matter of course on youtube etc. Here you can see a lot both from filming outside and within. c) We have created a special vocabulary that makes us keep ourselves most away from words and phrases that can not be quantified, such as "rhythm", "flow" etc. It is a good word to describe the feeling, but how coach you to get better flow or rhythm? Anderledes Training - Why? a) To drive rally car is expensive, and to drive rally car on rallyvei is expensive. It is one of the reasons why we choose other training methods. b) The driving a rally car is often not the most effective if one is to exercise at a special thing. Different training - how? a) We are training course and rally cars on test roads, but we trey also rally cars in rallycross Courts, and other atypical spaces. b) In such places, we set up often cones, so we get trained on one particular thing we are working on. c) We train on the road with regular car (far within the speed limit!), by running Nose End First track, so we have programmed into it. On the way we train also something we call micro acceleration. d) We train with a Polaris UTV, which is a surprisingly good training tool, and that is incredibly inexpensive to operate. e) Also we train theory in different ways. How are you? We started this in earnest from 01.01.2014. And we can say, even in Jante Norway, that progress has represented very good. We are still far from being world champions, but that said, the progress is very good. Although we were not driving for results, we located on the third in the Championship, and is constantly up and fighter with R2 guys Røkland and Aasen in the lead. And with a car unless horses, more weight, even more worn tires So entirely on snout it can certainly not be. Inspire and motivate - how? Because of a limited budget, so we must think differently. And it turns out that one can achieve results without necessarily sit on the entire cash reserves to Norges Bank. That means whether you are rally dad, club resource, leads, co, or avid fan, so you might here can pick up some tips regarding how to become better in the rally in a cost effective manner. This loooong record is an intro-mail. The idea is that those who are interested can ask questions, which I / we shall try to answer as good as possible. I will also add more posts about specific things we either work with, worked with, or will be working with. Hope this can be of interest, and look forward to getting substantive and constructive posts to keep this thread started. Run debate! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/2016 11:20AM by northcoast. |
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I was really, REALLY, struggling to find anything beyond superficially interesting in the article in the first post. (let alone 'layers of interesting.') Observe the best at what they do, assess, think, do, reflect, think some more, do some more, assess some more... The clear message from what Kevin posted is that the 'fun' path, with the ass end WAY out as is seen in 'the clip' isn't the fastest or safest path... something we all knew anyway. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
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