Penalties much?
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The cause: The roads when were dry were .kml'd to be very fast. The bogey times were set low. The area received 4 days of straight rain, saturating the roads made of clay. Most transits were under a mile between stages. We had 15 minutes to transit. So even though most blew bogey, they could easily check in "on time." Also, the bogey times were in the route book, not the time card. And with short transits, most never looked in the route book. Time card attached. Oh. Did I mention it was wet?
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Can you send a pic of the reverse side with the timing rules? NASA's GCRs say the 'modified FIA' system is used, which means the time card is giving incomplete directions on the front. By the times on the card, you'd have picked up 3 minutes of earliness in the two stages you finished. (The card IS giving you the 'long time' for the stage as well as the transit time, albeit not very clearly, but it neglects to tell you that if you exceed the long time, that you drop the seconds and use your finish time. Unless there was a change by the organizers to a different system) Here is the time card we used at RMR, and would look familar to anyone running BigWhite as well. The design was actually done with some collaboration with Nath Richard and RallyAmerica in an effort to standardize. And, Canadian National, so two languages. Obvously very familair to anyone local (we use the same design in our regionals, but I could see where it would be a bit confusing to someone who hasn't seen or used them before. Then again, 'follow the arrows' usually helps people get through it.  First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/26/2017 02:43PM by Not Trolling. |
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CARS, ARA, and R-A all describe a single timing method in their rules. CARS and ARA both describe Modified FIA (in a fairly confusing manner - see CARS 15.5.4. ARA's wording is virtually identical, unsurprisingly enough), and both say that "no other timing system is permitted". R-A describes a different method (fixed transits times starting from stage-completion time), but at least they acknowledge that some variation may occur and that event regulations must detail event procedures. NRS is the only body that describes multiple different timing systems - three of them. So, yeah, if you're running under one of the first three sanctioning bodies and you're sticking to their standard timing system, there's no need to put it in the supps. If you're not using the official one, you'd have to put it in the supps anyway as an exception - and you'd have to describe in detail how the method you're planning on using works. And if you're an NRS event, you should declare it every time, but you can just refer to the relevant section of the regs for a detailed description. Self-righteous douche canoe |
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