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doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 06, 2018 05:57PM
nope? rally forums have gone the way of the dodo?
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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 06, 2018 07:43PM
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nope? rally forums have gone the way of the dodo?

Most of the current rally guys and a HUGE % of the thousands of "wawwy wacer wannabes" are geekoid consumers..They are compelled to be atuned to the "latest thing"...and forums and email. and telephones are all "too hard" and "dead"....

Discussion in general is as well.

This to a significant degree explains a good part of it:
http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/

The beginning:
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The Death Of Expertise
Tom Nichols By Tom Nichols
JANUARY 17, 2014
I am (or at least think I am) an expert. Not on everything, but in a particular area of human knowledge, specifically social science and public policy. When I say something on those subjects, I expect that my opinion holds more weight than that of most other people.

I never thought those were particularly controversial statements. As it turns out, they’re plenty controversial. Today, any assertion of expertise produces an explosion of anger from certain quarters of the American public, who immediately complain that such claims are nothing more than fallacious “appeals to authority,” sure signs of dreadful “elitism,” and an obvious effort to use credentials to stifle the dialogue required by a “real” democracy.

But democracy, as I wrote in an essay about C.S. Lewis and the Snowden affair, denotes a system of government, not an actual state of equality. It means that we enjoy equal rights versus the government, and in relation to each other. Having equal rights does not mean having equal talents, equal abilities, or equal knowledge. It assuredly does not mean that “everyone’s opinion about anything is as good as anyone else’s.” And yet, this is now enshrined as the credo of a fair number of people despite being obvious nonsense.

What’s going on here?
I fear we are witnessing the “death of expertise”: a Google-fueled, Wikipedia-based, blog-sodden collapse of any division between professionals and laymen, students and teachers, knowers and wonderers – in other words, between those of any achievement in an area and those with none at all. By this, I do not mean the death of actual expertise, the knowledge of specific things that sets some people apart from others in various areas. There will always be doctors, lawyers, engineers, and other specialists in various fields. Rather, what I fear has died is any acknowledgement of expertise as anything that should alter our thoughts or change the way we live.

What has died is any acknowledgement of expertise as anything that should alter our thoughts or change the way we live.
This is a very bad thing. Yes, it’s true that experts can make mistakes, as disasters from thalidomide to the Challenger explosion tragically remind us. But mostly, experts have a pretty good batting average compared to laymen: doctors, whatever their errors, seem to do better with most illnesses than faith healers or your Aunt Ginny and her special chicken gut poultice. To reject the notion of expertise, and to replace it with a sanctimonious insistence that every person has a right to his or her own opinion, is silly.

Worse, it’s dangerous. The death of expertise is a rejection not only of knowledge, but of the ways in which we gain knowledge and learn about things. Fundamentally, it’s a rejection of science and rationality, which are the foundations of Western civilization itself. Yes, I said “Western civilization”: that paternalistic, racist, ethnocentric approach to knowledge that created the nuclear bomb, the Edsel, and New Coke, but which also keeps diabetics alive, lands mammoth airliners in the dark, and writes documents like the Charter of the United Nations.

This isn’t just about politics, which would be bad enough. No, it’s worse than that: the perverse effect of the death of expertise is that without real experts, everyone is an expert on everything. To take but one horrifying example, we live today in an advanced post-industrial country that is now fighting a resurgence of whooping cough — a scourge nearly eliminated a century ago — merely because otherwise intelligent people have been second-guessing their doctors and refusing to vaccinate their kids after reading stuff written by people who know exactly zip about medicine. (Yes, I mean people like Jenny McCarthy.

So now what's the point of discussiong how to do anything when you have guys who have done 2 or 3 rallys co-driveing or even zero and they tell you ( near quote) (from a guy who just co-drove an event and a 1/4 maybe) Well if you're lucky and are persistant maybe after you've stepped up and done a couple of rallies you'll understand how blah blah blah..."

Interestingly a shocking majority--seems like well over 90% of these experts of Pacefook and Twitter are all fans of one junky brand of japanese car.


Why bother?



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 07, 2018 10:19PM
Meh... Most get scared 'cause there is this big open box to fill with typed letters... and it's more the 140 characters...

This problem had been discussed here and elsewhere... (I love dot dot dot)

F-book is a joke. I now have a page, but after 2 years of looking around, it still does not make sense.

Forums are akin to a database, there is order and structure. Initially designed by intelligent folks who I presume were hoping for a retrievable, chronological structured, dataset. Facebook and it's derivatives are a nothing more then a facesmash of graphic symbols with little relevance to the next... "Hey I'm gonna post my dinner shot after that guys car shot"???

Funny that the MGE (one of Skye's forums that continues to hold it's own... ) is continuing to grow, I think it's the demographic that missed Facebook, and is too well heeled to get involved.

For me, I'm holding out here... and a few other's, hoping that the dodo will come back to life.

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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 07, 2018 11:06PM
Funny,

I re-read, and more truly... "actually read" John's quoted Tom Nichols "Death of Expertise" after having posted above...

Edit, er, delete... Matt goes on some bizarre self glamorising diatribe about his accomplishments and how he's the best there ever was...

And then some guy questioned him

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2018 07:01PM by Mad Matt F.
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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 08, 2018 06:33AM
Thread Hijack...

Matt, what was the tree, actually? Was it even an Oak? Always interesting to see how far people can be off sometimes.

My father originally attended college in the early 70's with the thought of becoming a forest ranger, so I grew up identifying trees and plants in northern New England. Haven't done so in 20+ years, but your story brought back some great 30+ year old memories.

Hijack off.
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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 08, 2018 09:55AM
There will be a migration back at some point - at least for a portion of the population.



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 08, 2018 02:00PM
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Always interesting to see how far people can be off sometimes.

You have no idea how funny this is comming from you.



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 09, 2018 07:00PM
Daniel it was a red oak... but maybe that was the point
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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
September 10, 2018 01:22AM
I had some really nice times with all my best rally friends this weekend. We lamented the good old days, Bob Dobolina on specialstage, and acted 25 at times.
If we could post videos on here, that'd be cool
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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
October 02, 2018 08:03AM
I left facebook back in April after becoming tired of incessant messaging and potential customers being annoyed at my lack of instantaneous response to their inquiries. We had an old rally build account from a few years ago that I reopened a few weeks later mostly to keep an eye on the rally pages and be able to help people out. This morning I had a non-customer tell me my communication sucked because I didn't respond to his 7:45 pm message last night until this morning.



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
October 02, 2018 05:38PM
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Funny,

I re-read, and more truly... "actually read" John's quoted Tom Nichols "Death of Expertise" after having posted above...

Edit, er, delete... Matt goes on some bizarre self glamorising diatribe about his accomplishments and how he's the best there ever was...

And then some guy questioned him

winking smiley

I hate the internet. winking smiley

(I love the fact this is not twitter and I can delete stupidity.)

Matt, the book is well worth reading too..

Along with--and still on message with this thread "Bowling Alone" by Robert Putnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone

And while you're relaxing and reading, the ever popular :
Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

Together they show how over a long period of time the trend and the predictable continuation...



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
October 04, 2018 03:01PM
It's hard to find a bowling team. We bowl in leagues on Friday and at 38 I'm probably one of the youngest guys there. My friends just bought a bowling alley one town over and I'm planning to help them try to get some younger millennial bitch faces to bowl. Figure all we have to do is play a bunch of dubstep.
Ironic how Alex comes on and starts a thread about no one rally chatting anymore then never comes back.
Pretty soon it'll just be me and John ignoring each other.



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
October 15, 2018 02:27PM
to be honest, the forum is my preferred format. However, I'm just busy with life at the moment.



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Re: doesn't anyone rally chat anymore?
May 16, 2019 01:26AM
Hello EVERY-BAWDY!

Yeah Crickets chirping here and also over at special stage and Even Dirty Impreza.

Ha! -I was bored and just bumped all the spam off the start page on special stage right now...

None of the mods there do anything anymore so it’s just a complete spam fest.

Since I don’t have a Facebook account I had my kid click on the CRS Facebook thread in the SoCal SS forum section and then to the unofficial CRS Facebook page to see if anything was going on in there...Yeah it’s kind of active.

More active than the forum anyway- duh.

I may have to reluctantly sign up for that freaking crap known as Facebook(as I’m dragged kicking and screaming).

And I’ve never been a Subaru guy but dirty impreza used to be a pretty good site for both grass o cross and some stage stuff....

If nothing else it was a good source for posting of local rally related events.

No more.

Too sad this decline of the dinosaur known as the Internet forum.



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