Vincent Gagnon The same thing that I just wrote Senior Moderator Location: Golden, BC Join Date: 03/12/2016 Age: Settling Down Posts: 157 Rally Car: Volvo 240 |
What a surprise! What is the model of that pop up valve? Anyone have a part number? Ask for work. If they don't give you work, ask for bread. If they do not give you work or bread, then take bread. - Emma Goldman |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Mega Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
Down here we call them soda-off valves.
Seriously, on one hand I should berate you for not digging around on the CARS website and looking this up yourself. On the other hand they didn't exactly make it obvious. If you go to the website, under Documents->Competitors, you'll find the 2018 rulebook. However, there's no mention of the pop-off valves there, nor any indication that there might even be something to worry about. For that you have to know to go to Documents->All Bulletins. Under there you will find the pop-off info buried in the April 18, 2018 Bulletin on O4WD, P4WD, and P2WD. In particular it indicates that it's only for drivers with a speed factor of 70 or higher, and it lists the manufacturer. And now that I've looked all that up for you and typed up a summary, I've thought about it and decided that yeah, you need a smack upside the head for not doing it yourself. Self-righteous douche canoe |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah I'll try and remember.....he'll be here again in early February... Of course all of our dear Calgary forumistas who were so active and vigalent and who endlesly praised their World Class communications expertise and surprisingly absent both here and on the BaseFook page where this was originally posted---the cost over-run of nealy 60%, the deal to give one buddy the exclusive sales, and the same person being the person to "inspect" the valves at CRC events.. Why can't they communicate better? There were threats of lawsuits from Canada's Ace Communicator in-Chief and former constant contributor here, lawsuits for defamation...How ironic is that??? So maybe everybody has been told post nothing public while the lawsuits idea is weighed.. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Godlike Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Oh John... you shouldn't believe what some say so quickly.
Yup... but consider that Adam has blocked both Matt and I so we can neither see nor comment on his threads and you might understand why we weren't commenting on it. (Someone even called Adam on that fact and he said he had no desire to unblock me so I could comment.) Yah... no. While I can't find the document that proposed the rules, my recollection is the original 300ish price was in GBP, which is a little over $500cad right now. Others remember the same. When this was discussed at the competitors roundtable at the CARS AGM last January, there was a desire to have a 'Canadian' Supplier expressed by the car owners there, which is how - I expect - Matt got involved. Considering you'll have to have someone at the events to test and check the units, and Matt is volunteering as the National Scrutineer, this kind of makes sense. You should also note that the bulletin itself makes no reference to Matt being a 'sole supplier,' and the rule change that introduced the pop-off valves gives the full name and all contact information for the supplier if someone wants to buy directly. (Likely more expensive than the 'bulk buy' through Matt.) See above regarding being muzzled by someone who has no interest in allowing discussion. Seems to me you took a dim view (rightfully) of people bad mouthing you on SpecialStage.com after you were banned... this would be pretty much the same on the weasel scale wouldn't it? This makes me chuckle more than a little bit. I was sent screen captures of Adam's post where he appears to libel me along with links to some reading on defamation laws in Canada. I make a 'throwaway' post on facebook about reading up on libel law and that is suddenly called 'threatening legal action.' For the record, zero outreach to either a lawyer or Adam has been made. I'm not sure how you can threaten someone without trying to contact them in any way. Bahahaha... no. I'm certainly not putting any time or money into pursuing legal action. Even though you don't have to prove damages for libel in Canada, I wouldn't bother taking action unless I actually suffered measurable damages. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Godlike Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Perhaps I'm feeling a bit more generous than Hoche: "notes on Pop-off Valves" background document from CARS Bulletin 2018-01 announcing the rule change Bulletin 2018-06 announcing the change of implementation date First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2018 12:54AM by Not Trolling. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Godlike Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
And, I had to hunt this one down since CARS removed this because it was causing confusion with the final published rules... (There are some changes that were made after competitor feedback was weighed, most notably only requiring the pop-off valve after demonstrating some relative speed through a tipping point on the speed factor scale... the original rule simply required everyone to have them.)
Original Bulletin proposing the class changes, including the popoff valve. Worth noting that the price of the unit at the time was 289 gbp, which was worth about $488 on the day, virtually the same on the day of the latest bulletin release, and up to $495ish today, or about a 1.7% float in cost due to exchange rates. (currency conversion used the average on any given day from https://www.poundsterlinglive.com, which has a nice history tool... but by all means grab whatever source floats your boat and correct me... it won't be far off and will be well above $450cad, and that's the real point) (emphasis mine) The bulletin also has a nice, brief summary of the reasoning behind the pop-off valve.
So, the recent bulletin that has a couple of people angry about cost increases is actually announcing the promised 'group buy' at a savings of ~10% to the competitor. Don't get me wrong, I'm not wholly convinced that they've found the right answer. In particular, I think the threshold is too low (it was set by thinking anyone on the overall podium should have a pop-off valve, but the intent is to stop people from spending stupid money to get a small return in power... which some currently are. They've already set a bar of a .85 speed factor as being those that are in the 'draw' at the start of the event, so why not use that as the tipping point? Also, for the curious, the list of committee members who came up with this is: (at least three mechanical engineers, at least two of whom have direct motorsports experience, as well as two top-level (relative) competitors who are both impacted by the rule and the sf70 tipping point.) First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2018 07:57PM by Not Trolling. |
MattP Matt Pullen Infallible Moderator Location: Calgary Join Date: 10/22/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 282 Rally Car: 2002 Ford StRanger |
There was no deal to give a buddy the rights to sell these, I made an approach to the CARS board offering to do a group buy to reduce the individual cost to competitors. I am buying 15 in an effort to reduce the cost by approx $100 to each competitor. I had nothing to do with the drafting of the regs or the selection of the supplier, I just put up the money to get a better deal for everyone, I don't even need or will ever require one. Now if someone else wants to step up and hand me the approx $6600 I have paid out, to take this over then please by all means give me a call.
And as has already been stated the OP on FB has blocked me, so I am only seeing the misinformation via 3rd parties who are as bemused by that persons innuendos, lies and fabricated crap as I am. Yes, it's a Ranger. Xr4Ti, it is rwd and was made in Germany. |
ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Junior Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
So I looked at those, didn’t see a part number. But I did see the “AngleConsulting” link, so this goes whoever makes it, to a distributor, to Angle the Angel to MattP for a whopping 600% markup less a 10% “friends saving Rally” discount. Power means nothing if you cannot control it! |
Vincent Gagnon The same thing that I just wrote Senior Moderator Location: Golden, BC Join Date: 03/12/2016 Age: Settling Down Posts: 157 Rally Car: Volvo 240 |
Ask for work. If they don't give you work, ask for bread. If they do not give you work or bread, then take bread. - Emma Goldman Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2019 11:03PM by Vincent Gagnon. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
looks like a real manufacturing locale...whatchoo talking Angle Consulting Limited 40 Wayside Avenue Bushey Herts WD23 4SQabout...https://goo.gl/maps/2WshwMSZiHo Be serious now and just look at who these guys are, look at this "about us" ANGLE CONSULTING LTD and UK SPORT
Detailed, precise, confidence inspiring... I can see right now why the ENGINEERS were impressed with such clear accurate descriptions and drawings.. Big company too. 2 employees http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/company_officers.php/CompanyNumber/05105968/CompanyName/ANGLE+CONSULTING+LTD
Legit as fuck, cynics! http://www.datalog.co.uk/browse/company_report.php/05105968/Prod223_1841_05105968_20160430.pdf This is the big time you suspicious bastids...House worth GBP350-500,000, wife as secretary.. Lathe and mill out back in the shed... Couldn't possibly reign in the excess speeds of the pointy end of the stick for less... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Godlike Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Very good..You're finally learning that when I am speaking to friends that you can simply shut the fuck up because we don't care what you and your little 3 man Calgary Clique say. Because you are trolling... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Godlike Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2019 05:04PM by Not Trolling. |
Philippe Bellefleur same as above Godlike Moderator Location: In the woods Join Date: 03/12/2016 Age: Settling Down Posts: 130 |
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ElectroTech Steve Wheeler Junior Moderator Location: Fork Lake, Alberta Join Date: 06/09/2015 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 336 Rally Car: 1992 Golf |
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