Not Trolling Keith Morison Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Despite my instincts saying this is a bad move... I'll try, again, to have a reasonable conversation about this. I am certain a drawing and spec sheet exists, expecting it to show up on this forum by simply asking for it is fairly futile. The contact information for the (elected, volunteer) CARS Technical director, (elected, volunteer) CARS Region directors, and (elected, volunteer) CARS President are all on the CARS website, and would be the better places to ask the questions. Where do you think the sanctioning bodies (CARS Specifically) get their funding from? If CARS took on the Majority of costs, it would be funded through license increases so that every license holder would pay something towards the program that is intended to stop the top 30% from spending stupidly on engine builds. I've said before that I think a SF of 70 is too low for the break as it will quickly start capturing some cars that are running fundamentally stock drivelines. I'm quick to admit that I don't have the depth in this area to know one way or another about 'budget' options to this solution, but... I know everyone on the committee and I have trust and faith in the technical committee to be making the right choices and having good reasoning behind their decisions. It won't necessarily equate, but the difference between first and second place at Tall Pines this year was 1m32s over 2h16m of racing, or 1.1%. The difference between second and third was 36s, or 0.37%. Then 1.5%, 2% and 0.11% 1% is 6 seconds on a 10 minute stage, or depending on the stage somewhere around a half a second a k... which is a big deal. Now, obviously the impact of the variance will only be when the valve is at max pressure, so not a constant issue for sure, my only point was that I don't think 1% is as trivial as it sounds. (If someone can do the math on %change of boost pressure vs. %change on HP/TQ That would be interesting.) Again, not my wheelhouse and I'm not here to defend, but properly placed questions should get you the answers you're looking for. That said, this first came out a year ago, and was released as a rule change in mid-April, over a year before the new implementation date. (I'm not here to represent the decision makers as I had zero involvement in the process.) My understanding from being involved in the competitor round-table last year was that the part is the same as is being provided to the WRC for R5 cars, which means CARS wasn't paying to repeat design work... but ask the question to the right people if you want a 'good' answer. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
So, with a bit of asking the right people some questions...
I gather CARS is using the FIA pop-off Valve as described in this document. The document lists a maximum price, not a fixed price, of 350 Euro, approx $530cad today. The implied reasoning behind going to the FIA item is that it's already been designed and build with the specific use in mind, with compliance testing and checking being part of the design requirements. In other words, why start from scratch when the final product will be counted in 'tens.' First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2019 03:41PM by Not Trolling. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Something interesting that I found out at the competitor round table during the CARS AGM in Calgary last weekend. (Which was open to anyone with an opinion they wanted to discuss)
The Popoff valve for CARS was ordered without the plastic tamper-proof cage that it is normally shipped with, because not having it cut the cost by 100gbp per unit. Instead, the units will be sealed with security tape that will show as being voided if removed. On pricing... A single unit ordered direct from the supplier would be $636cad including shipping, taxes, and any import duties (I haven't bothered checking if they are exempt of tariffs or not) Through the group buy, they are $450cad, to the end user's door - $186cad cheaper. There was a clarification on speed factors as well... they are set on 'mean' pace, so the loss of the faster cars (L'Estage) doesn't mean there is a drastic up-swing in speed factors. Teams are given 3 months to fit the device after getting a 70sf. Importantly, American teams who don't want to be bothered can still run in a CARS national event, they just won't be scored in the championship. (but would be eligible for NARC and Cascadia points) First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Apparently I was wrong about this... NARC points would be based on CARS legal finishing positions so you'd want to have a blow-off valve for that. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |