musgravecycles Jason Musgrave Professional Moderator Location: Durham NC Join Date: 03/20/2017 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 4 Rally Car: TBD |
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Vincent Gagnon The same thing that I just wrote Senior Moderator Location: Golden, BC Join Date: 03/12/2016 Age: Settling Down Posts: 157 Rally Car: Volvo 240 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Super Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
They are cool cars..Easy to upgrade--and you will need to but in a way they're an odd one.. They were typically used only in small class like 1300 or 1600 class..And we don't have engine capacity classes. the real impressive ones were invariably re-engined with em-biggened 4AGE motors in the roughly 1800cc size plus...That combined with typically a Ford Type 9 gearbox with a Tran-X or maybe a Quaiffe VERY close ratio gearset and some axle a good step bigger than the tiny thing in 'em made for a light simple reliable car..and one which worked really well.. But you have to worry about what the guy Vince said...where you gonna find a simple fender, door, hood or windshield?? Let along a steering knuckle of bottom arm easily? Yeah Garth has one but Garth is smarter than the average bear...and he's in Portland and plans. He has been a hawk at tracking down Starlets and buying them to have spare wear items. Like doors and fenders and hoods..and windshields.. You have any extra cars on the horizon? Other than that they just get built just like any other RWD car.. Use all the information on building MkI/MkII Escorts to get ideas.. But I wouldn't even think of any car if I didn't have some extra essentials...like sheet metal.glass. etc John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
You would for sure want a few spare shells before going down the road of turning one into a rally car.
I think Garth ended up converting the starlet-o to corolla front suspension, and then eventually the Group 4 Escort front end. It's a mash-up of Escort, Starlet, Corolla, and now it sports a Ford 9" rear end. |
musgravecycles Jason Musgrave Professional Moderator Location: Durham NC Join Date: 03/20/2017 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 4 Rally Car: TBD |
So the guy I am potentially buying from has 8 of them in various states of disrepair, mostly rollers/shells though. It comes with a spare 42k mile 4k engine and bunch of new OE Toyota parts (he is a Toyota technician). But things like fenders/hood/glass/etc I could pretty easily source from him.
I was thinking 4AGE with a Toyota T50 tranny but if I have a spare 4k I would probably start by digging into that. Yes to AE86 front suspension and likely a Toyota 8" rear. Jason Musgrave Durham, NC Laughter has no foreign accent |
Will a BEAMS engine fit in a starlet without too much work? Plenty more power than a 4AGE, and you can buy them for $2k with a trans and ECU from various importers.
The narrow (straight axle) 8” Toyota diff should be ~55” flange to flange if I remember my measurements correctly. |
musgravecycles Jason Musgrave Professional Moderator Location: Durham NC Join Date: 03/20/2017 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 4 Rally Car: TBD |
Yes I have seen KP61s with the BEAMS swap. Honestly I am more worried about getting suspension/brakes sorted and not so much a big motor until later...I am not an experienced competitive driver so I have a lot to learn before I go hunting more power. Edit: I've always been a Toyota guy and loved the Starlets from seeing them when I was growing up over there and though this might make a good 40th B-day present for myself. Jason Musgrave Durham, NC Laughter has no foreign accent Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2019 04:57PM by musgravecycles. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Super Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
T50 trannies suck biggly I hear...rarer than rare to find a gearset, probaly not a stock part to be found any longer, and even with a gearkit, weak..There's solid reasons so many guys went to Ford Type 9. The problem with Type 9 is the opposite: wading thru all the dozens of options.. There were bellhousings for 4AGE to Type9 in years past in the British market.. Here's a done one:
Everything but the cage. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Pete Pete Remner Junior Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
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musgravecycles Jason Musgrave Professional Moderator Location: Durham NC Join Date: 03/20/2017 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 4 Rally Car: TBD |
Good info on the tranny - keep it coming. I'll start looking for some threads on the MKI/MKII Escort rear suspension geometry and I could run your JVABs with the AE86 front conversion.
That is a beauty, I am also pretty fond of what I found on Facebook with the BMV rally team: Jason Musgrave Durham, NC Laughter has no foreign accent |
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I never see them on Craigslist..But here is one on the west coast. Think it's been relisted a couple times.
Perhaps the asking price is the reason. Have no idea-I'm not a yoter guy. https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/pinon-hills-1983-toyota-starlet-kp61/7117200596.html . ................................................. ..................... Support your Local North American Rally Forum!! While they are still around-and get the hell off Farsebook!! We still have Specialstage & RallyAnarchy. Post up Here: https://rallyanarchy.com/phorum/posting.php and here: https://www.specialstage.com/forums/forum.php |