trucks

4G63's are CHEAP? Since when?

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Since the last 17 ended up at the junkyard each Wednesday.

It's like the NA EJ22 Subaru engines. At $100 per longblock why bother with a 2.5 or rebuilding a bad engine.

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Grant Hughes

> And 20R and 22R are impressively stout old school
> motors but they don't make much power so of course
> they're reliable.

0 to 60 in 17 seconds in my 88 4Runner, whoohoo!

And that was before the clutch started slipping from the ripping 115 (factory rated) horsepower shoving 4,000 lbs. of soon to be ferrous oxide down the road.

Anybody want to buy it? Only 99,800 miles! New front fenders! Recent Hankook snows.

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

Add the Frod 2.3L to the list of stout engines. Too bad you can't get a stout transmission to go with one in a pickup like a Ranger, unless you like cutting and welding; and having your shifter almost behind you. But as John mentioned you would be breaking more then just the tranny.

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Scott Manley
Spokane, WA
86' XR4Ti
37

SR20DET stout engine, decent power out of the box, way more power easily accessible with readily available upgrades.

-Martin.

OK here's just how awwwwww some trucks handle:http://blog.cardomain.com/blog/2007/01/how_much_troubl.html

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

LMFAO!! "I got it on camera" what a f-ing idot!!!

Ok John you've proved your point, which is what I was after in the first place. I wanted someone to show and explain why a truck can't be used, and be competitive.

So I've been searching the net far and wide in search of a old beater someones got laying around that could be built into an entry level racer. I've been on the prowl for a volvo (from John's recomendation) but can't seem to find em all that cheap and in ok condition. And I know Merkur is another good one but I just can't bring myself to buying/driving a ford. I've been finding Corolla's and golfs though. Is it worth the time to build one of these cars? I've also found some Saab's but was told to stay away due to the weak tranny case. Could this be fixed with some gaurd/skidplate?

I'm sorry if my questions are boring and redundant but I'm so unfamiliar with the layout of imports, UniBody cars and all this 4 cylinder stuff. I know what the underside of a camaro and a 4x4 chevy like the back of my hand but all this FWD shit has me puzzled at points. All my knowledge is in V8's, dirt track cars, and big fast 4x4 chevy's.

Heres a race worthy truck. I drove this one once.

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www.themud.com

ufo_banshee_00 Wrote:
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> LMFAO!! "I got it on camera" what a f-ing idot!!!
>
>
> Ok John you've proved your point, which is what I
> was after in the first place. I wanted someone to
> show and explain why a truck can't be used, and be
> competitive.
>
> So I've been searching the net far and wide in
> search of a old beater someones got laying around
> that could be built into an entry level racer.
> I've been on the prowl for a volvo (from John's
> recomendation) but can't seem to find em all that
> cheap and in ok condition. And I know Merkur is
> another good one but I just can't bring myself to
> buying/driving a ford. I've been finding Corolla's
> and golfs though. Is it worth the time to build
> one of these cars? I've also found some Saab's but
> was told to stay away due to the weak tranny case.
> Could this be fixed with some gaurd/skidplate?
>
> I'm sorry if my questions are boring and redundant
> but I'm so unfamiliar with the layout of imports,
> UniBody cars and all this 4 cylinder stuff. I know
> what the underside of a camaro and a 4x4 chevy
> like the back of my hand but all this FWD shit has
> me puzzled at points. All my knowledge is in V8's,
> dirt track cars, and big fast 4x4 chevy's.
>
> Heres a race worthy truck. I drove this one once.
>
> www.themud.com


Don't get brand loyal. We don't have the nice rwd GM stuff that Opel built, so if you can consider a Volvo, then you can consider Volvo's owner:
FORD.
And remember, the Xratty is rwd, OK?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

I am going to go out on a limb here and put in my vote for trucks being competitive.

I have seen trucks in the CHCA events put in some blistering times. One of them used to take the overall on occasion. They put in times equal to some of the openwheel guys. They are definitely faster that the two wheel drive rally cars at the events and usually the 4 wheel drive guys too. Grant should be able to give you some info on them.

Now that being said they aren't exactly what you would call budget minded. They range from a modified small truck up to something that only resembles the body of the original vehicle.

I guess if you look at it using the advice I have seen on this board it might not be a bad beginner vehicle.

Cheap
Strong
2WD can be made fairly light.
Good brakes
Easy to find replacement shell
Full frames so no seem welding needed
Cheap suspension
Bigger stronger drivetrain parts are easy to get cheap at the local salvage yard
You could haul your own spares with you
You can keep livestock in the back so you have something to eat on those really long stages.

If your in it for the fun and hanging out with your fellow rally friends it could be a good time. If your in it to just go fast it could be expensive.

Thanks,

Jeremy

John, that pickup they rolled....look who was driving.

I have thought on and off about a 2wd Toyota pickup for a while now. I'd use it for rallycross and some hillclimb in Vermont, ideally. The ugly part of it is the cage, which would be pretty tight. You'd end up sitting awfully close to the pedals it seems in order to fit the main hoop between you and the back of the cab. I haven't confirmed this, but I want to say that a Supra 5 speed will bolt to a 22re motor, which would give you better gear ratios and a plenty strong transmission. When guys swap the 7m's into the pickups, they use the stock 4 cylinder box and it bolts together.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2007 11:39PM by Parry.

Parry Wrote:
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> John, that pickup they rolled....look who was
> driving.
>
> I have thought on and off about a 2wd Toyota
> pickup for a while now. I'd use it for rallycross
> and some hillclimb in Vermont, ideally. The ugly
> part of it is the cage, which would be pretty
> tight. You'd end up sitting awfully close to the
> pedals it seems in order to fit the main hoop
> between you and the back of the cab. I haven't
> confirmed this, but I want to say that a Supra 5
> speed will bolt to a 22re motor, which would give
> you better gear ratios and a plenty strong
> transmission. When guys swap the 7m's into the
> pickups, they use the stock 4 cylinder box and it
> bolts together.
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jan 18, 2007 by
> Parry.


Gotta get a king cab/extand a cab

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

Yea, but those come with a longer wheel base which doesn't seem like it would be the best thing. Then again, it doesn't bother me that much in my pickup when I'm doing stupid things I guess. I have seen caged regular cab Toyota's before, so it can be done but it's gotta suck hard to do.

Parry Wrote:
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> Yea, but those come with a longer wheel base which
> doesn't seem like it would be the best thing.
> Then again, it doesn't bother me that much in my
> pickup when I'm doing stupid things I guess. I
> have seen caged regular cab Toyota's before, so it
> can be done but it's gotta suck hard to do.


Extended cab on regular cab/short box frame.. just cut the box shorter.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

i know this sounds like a stupid question but if your in it for fun why not run a 1 ton dodge diesel seems to me to be kinda neat some thin new and odd u can bump that engine up to about 600 hp and has a wide rear end for stability its a heavy rig but i think it would be a sight to see

mavrick211 Wrote:
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> i know this sounds like a stupid question but if
> your in it for fun why not run a 1 ton dodge
> diesel seems to me to be kinda neat some thin new
> and odd u can bump that engine up to about 600 hp
> and has a wide rear end for stability its a heavy
> rig but i think it would be a sight to see


I think you could possibly make a truck competitive.. but a 1 ton dodge wouldn't be the rig to start with..

For starters inertia would be your number one enemy. You just wouldn't be able to make the thing turn at speed with any sort of precision.

Second starting at 3/4 ton Dodges have solid front axles.. which would be a problem.

You'd be better off with a diesel in a 1/2 ton, which would be considerably lighter and have independant front suspension, but I don't think it would be light enough.

I'd lean far away from anything that's full framed because they are heavy by design.

While I don't think the new Honda thing is a truck, it would likely make a damn good chassis. It's unibody and has independent suspension front and rear.

Edit: I just looked up the curb weight of one of those Honda Ridgelines they're no where near as light as I had thought at 4,500 lbs.. and the distribution is 58/42.. for comparison 1 ton trucks are around 8,000 lbs if I understand rightly.. and your average volvo tank is in around 3,000 lbs

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2007 02:08PM by hudson.