LexusFman Yengi Lado Mega Moderator Location: Potsdam, NY Join Date: 03/13/2013 Age: Party Animal Posts: 236 Rally Car: I Ain't rich!!!! |
I have 3 main questions about Volvos in general.
1. I haven't been able to track down a manual Volvo 240 in my area. (I know its better to buy a car from somewhere rust free like the south, but when I talked to my mom about it she said something along the lines of "you want to buy some old decrepit car from somewhere far away from people you don't know? You're stupider than I thought!) I was thinking about just buying the auto and swapping in a manual as my first project. I heard the Ford T5 World Class from a V8 Mustang is a good choice, but would swapping the auto for a T5 be particularly difficult or expensive? Is it something suitable for a first project? Would I be better off buying a manual 240? 2. What kind of weight would I be looking at for a fully rally prepped Volvo? 3. What is the cheapest but still good LSD for gravel AND pavement? Detroit TrueTrac? EDIT 4. Where is the best place to stay for NEFR? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2013 09:32PM by LexusFman. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Swapping in a stock Volvo box and pedal assembly etc is what i call a "grovel job'. Zero skill needed but you will wrestle with things... Just follow the book and if you have simple hand tools and can get the car HIGH---and a jack--and a pair of extra hands, its a single day thing.. In the heat and the driveway... T5 is just a bit more involved, prolly not a newbular newb type job and yeah it'll cost more: the box might be found for $100 or 300 or 400. Adaptor plate for the bellhousing to box is 275 for the Ford box, $200 for JVAB modded bellhousing for GM box... then there's a flywheel, clutch and pressure plate... and modding the front yoke on the propshaft, and that can range from $50 to whatever. Weight; don't worry...Are you a pudge ball? Lose weight.. Weight is very low on the cost/benefit scale.. Good club cars in Sweden range from 2500 to 2700...but they go like stink when modded right---and DRIVEN hard. power, gearing and brakes can take care of weight. BEST diff? Probably SF, or Gripper. SF costs nearly $2000, Gripper over $1000 (see why I like Toyota 8"? I've gotten whole rear diff with 4.3 final drive and strong 4 pinion LSD from $32 to 150) John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
JohnLane John Lane Super Moderator Location: Lynden Washington Join Date: 01/14/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 725 Rally Car: The Fire Breathing Monster |
My 240 rallycar is 3025 lbs ready to race without putting any special effort into taking weight out of it.
A 240 comes with a differential that can be easily welded up... Chances are the car you will be working with will come with a 3.73 final drive ratio. Easily swapped for 4.1 should you wish for it as this was offered for a bolt-in solution. The complete axle will be available for next to nothing. With the turbo motor it can easily make more than enough torque that you won't notice the difference between 3.73 and 4.1 for a final drive ratio. Get stupid (read: FUN) with power and you will break axles.... I fixed that in my car with a Ford 9" and Moser 35 spline axles. No more broken axles... wheel studs ect.... Volvo 240s can be purchased with a turbo motor or not... The turbo car will already have an oil cooler, many to most have an intercooler... The intercooler will have to be upgraded but the plumbing is there. Find someone's project car that is done and drives well that they have already put thousands into.... They are out there and available for adoption. You can find a car that already has a turbo motor with programmable engine management, a transmission and clutch that will live with the power ect.... Lots of fun to be had in a 240. JohnLane Overkill is consistently more fun Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/03/2013 09:13AM by JohnLane. |
darkknight9 Kirk Coughlin Professional Moderator Location: Saint Paul, MN Join Date: 01/08/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 493 Rally Car: Dreaming of escorts and xrats |
Clearly your mother and mine went to the same school of parenting. Your mom must have missed the course on adding curse words for effect though. Mine would have thrown at least one effenheimer in there for emphasis. Kirk Coughlin Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Such kind words, so encouraging. Hey Yengie-baby, tell your mom that a great Englishman, Willam Blake famously said "If a fool shall persist in his folly long enough---- he shall become a wise man" Another wise Englishman name Winston S. Churchill said "The crime is not in failing-------- But in setting low aims" Everything we're doing and trying to do could easily be looked at as an extended, long term learning exercise...and depending on what you put into it you can learn a whole bunch of real world skills---not the least of which can be learning to set goals, planning, discipline, and the most important in my opinion : how to look at problems.... There is a strong parallel between the ways people approach the problems here (acquiring a suitable car, setting the goal, planning the finances, planning and executing the work, prioritizing the areas to expend time/money/effort on etc ) and how they approach real life...) For some the answer to everything is BUY everything. Accept always "everybody says I should ______________" Some resist everything "I only can learn from my own mistakes" (False you CAN learn for others mistakes simply by looking and thinking" Some forget what the ultimate goal is: driving down roads and giggling your brains out. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
LexusFman Yengi Lado Mega Moderator Location: Potsdam, NY Join Date: 03/13/2013 Age: Party Animal Posts: 236 Rally Car: I Ain't rich!!!! |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Away from the vicious mosquitoes! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
TronDD Tim Meunier Mega Moderator Location: Boston, MA Join Date: 10/27/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 252 Rally Car: 96 Subaru Impreza |
Got the same thing from my mother when I wanted to buy my Chevelle. And one of the first things I did with it was swap from auto to manual, along with a bigger motor.
Don't don't about Volvos but a swap like that is work, but doable work. I had zero background with cars or anything mechanical then. That's how I learned. This is my first year going to NEFR (except as a spectator once for a day). Only place I know about is "the Jordan". Check the NEFR web site and supp/spectator info. See if they have deals with any places. Tim. |
JohnLane John Lane Super Moderator Location: Lynden Washington Join Date: 01/14/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 725 Rally Car: The Fire Breathing Monster |
Someone's project that runs and drives; available for adoption. Already has a T-5, bigger turbo than is needed, programmable engine management....
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=281495 JohnLane Overkill is consistently more fun |
LexusFman Yengi Lado Mega Moderator Location: Potsdam, NY Join Date: 03/13/2013 Age: Party Animal Posts: 236 Rally Car: I Ain't rich!!!! |
Never thought of buying someone's project car. I'll look into it. |
alkun Albert Kun Ultra Moderator Location: SF Ca. Join Date: 01/07/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,732 Rally Car: volvo 242 |
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LexusFman Yengi Lado Mega Moderator Location: Potsdam, NY Join Date: 03/13/2013 Age: Party Animal Posts: 236 Rally Car: I Ain't rich!!!! |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
You're a long loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way from having to even THINK what that means...and if anybody tells you now, it will have faded by time you're ready.. Comeon big hint time: SERIOUSLY concentrate on the NEXT STEP---don't worry much about little, variable details years from now.. (in other words a guy your age/position shouldn't be reading Supps, you should be reading ads and road maps plotting finding and returning a CAR, then reading HAYNES MANUALS for how to work on the car) John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
LexusFman Yengi Lado Mega Moderator Location: Potsdam, NY Join Date: 03/13/2013 Age: Party Animal Posts: 236 Rally Car: I Ain't rich!!!! |
Yeeeeah but I got bored. lol. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Then you aren't trying to get a car hard enough. Never a reason for boredom in life. Try harder. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |