czwalga steve czwalga Ultra Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
After the towing guys at WV decided to torque twist and rip my rear corner off with their 2nd winch after they used the first winch to hook it on a tree... the rear is not very straight. By towed in i mean its drivable, not some crazy angle, but maybe 3-4 degrees, just throwing a number out there.
Everything in the rear corner was destroyed, so I replaced it all. The rear wheel is still towed in a little, even it adjusted all the way out. The rear subframe doesnt look bent to me but may be. I'm just wondering what a frame shop actually does, and if its worth it. Or just cut weld do whatever i have to and self align. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2013 09:37AM by czwalga. |
heymagic Banned Professional Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
A frame shop can only do so much, they can likely tell you what is bent and how much. If stuff needs replaced it needs replaced. So they can do a lot or maybe not much. Usually for the money it is a deal. We have one a short distance from here and the owner races so is pretty friendly to deal with.
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czwalga steve czwalga Ultra Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Don't worry. First there is nobody. Second it is about in some way, rally---build drive, what happens when things go wrong. Of course This thread is useless without.........piccies John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
czwalga steve czwalga Ultra Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
First pic is the damage I caused. The 2nd pic including the giant dent in the quarter was caused by the 'wrecking' crews.
They were winching it up the hill and the rear kicked out a little, hooking on a tree between the rear wheel and the quarter. They kept pulling until the car wouldn't go any further. They then decided to get their 2nd truck and pull the rear up the side of the hill. Which would have been smart, but when i told them they need to leave pressure off the first winch to so the car slides back down and unhooks itself they looked at me like i was crazy. So me, my codriver, the people that wrecked right behind me, heavy sweep who were nice enough to stick around in the middle of the woods with us till 1am until the wreckers got there.... all stood there as we heard 3 trailing arms, an axle, rear knuckle, and strut pop. Car would have been raceable the next day, only damage was cosmetic in the front, and maybe a new wheel. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2013 10:00AM by czwalga. |
wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Ultra Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
We used one after we boogered the left front suspension. The guy pulled the unibody out to spec and we welded the you know what out of it. Time/money well spent in my opinion.
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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Reamer Jeff Reamer Ultra Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
Im so glad we worked on getting ours out our selves. I know after seeing your car mi ne would of been far worse being in creek on its roof and all. I couldnt believe they did what they did! You have better anger managment then me! How much was it for them to destroy your car again?
At least you saved $100 bucks and had it dropped at the end of the road. If you can cross measure the cradle to the front of the car some where to make sure its the chassis bent or maybe its just the cradle. If its the cradle i would just replace that. If the chassis is out of square a frame rack can easily fix it. If you were closer you could use mine. But i dont think its worth the drive!! 5 hours to here and we dont even have any good roads close to make it a test day. First rally 2013 Rally car type AWD subaru Total rallies as driver 6 Total rally cars built 2 Total rally cars caged 3 Total rally cars repaired from offs 4 Total years racing exp other then rally 19 yrs Like 31motorsports on FB! Check out 31motor sales on ebay for used Subaru parts |
czwalga steve czwalga Ultra Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
$300. Although i do pay $1.20 extra a month on that car for towing. |
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wvonkessler Wilson von Kessler Ultra Moderator Location: Lookout Mountain, GA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,127 Rally Car: Colts are in Finland; now '87 325i, '89 325i |
Gene:
Why would this be an organizer issue? As far as I know, any competitor is entitled to pay for the extraction crew of his/her choice. Plus, if he/she are concerned about what the gratis crew is doing (or the ones they are paying), they are entitled to address those issues. Don't see that this would ever be an organizer responsibility/claim. Wilson "Talk about drugs. Driving a car like that, going that fast, it’s like all the drugs at once." - Tommy Byrne "Now, Pinky, if by any chance you are captured during this mission, remember you are Gunther Heindriksen from Appenzell. You moved to Grindelwald to drive the cog train to Murren. Can you repeat that?" - The Brain |
czwalga steve czwalga Ultra Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
This wasn't heavy sweep or anyone associated with the rally. The local firecrew called the wreckers. Your options are pretty much limited. I mean what can you do middle of no where.... late night.
If you say 'dont call these guys next year' well its probably them or no one. It was pretty unique circumstances. for this to happen. A focus ditched it right behind me... and their car looked to be in worse shape/position than mine before the towing started. They wreckers got them out without a problem and was able to drive the car out of the stage. Was really a dangerous area to wreck. Was a 'downhill r4- slippery', which was before the inch of rain we had that day. As soon as I wrecked i yelled at my dad to get out asap, my door was pinned on a tree. We just passed 3 people within the last few miles (we missed a stage due to a loose ground on the battery durrrr). So the normal duration between cars wasnt there. First car asked if we were ok and took off, next car saw us and locked them up, with the grip levels i knew they were done long before they did. Then I finally was able to get up the road with a triangle and slow people down. Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2013 07:11PM by czwalga. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Jeezuz, sounds like no fun... Maybe in future we should try to say "Hey I want you to help recover the car but I want to work with you so that the car is not unnecessarily damage further. Will you work with me?" If they don't want to, point in some random direction and act shocked and shout "LOOK! A MOOSE!" and when they look, cold conk the dumbshits with a lunk wrench, quickly pull the car out carefully, fold up a couple of Cs and shove it in their pocket and get the fuck outta there before they wake up. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
rallyfast18 kevin lester Senior Moderator Location: pacific northwest Join Date: 06/26/2013 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 33 |
So i have always kinda wondered why teams dont set up themselves for extractions. Any light to shed on that?
I mean good winches and some practice are cheap in the long haul..its not rocket science. (Proof- me and my redneck brethren manage to figure it out without injury or further damage to vehicles ) Olympus has been reclaimed! Now t.v. needs more rally coverage in general! Watch w.r.c. on mavtv...ratings will keep it airing. |