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Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?

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Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
September 30, 2007 10:06PM
Hey Mark Bowers!
How did the new rear boingers feel?

Congratulations to the Wimpeys for yet another win with my JVAB Sooper Bitchin Suspenion

Jason Frumby!!! DNF FOR MOTOR!!!!???? What happened??????

news boys!!



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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 07:50AM
Mark seemed quite pleased with the new boingers in the rear and bent one of his un-sooperbitchin GAB fronts on the last 2 stages.


We were unable to select 5th gear for the entire event (could have used it quite a bit surprisingly) and had a partly broken starter and front motor mount. We played the whole rally safe in order to secure 1st place in the OVERALL Atlantic Division Driver's and Codriver's Championships in addition to 1st place the M2 (aka group2) championship.

Luke Sorenson showed avery good speed but had ball joint failure---twice.

Motorcycles had a good time.

Randy Zimmer had a great run.

great roads!!!!








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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 08:49AM
Awesome event! Nice compact schedule with great roads and low key atmosphere. At one point we pulled up to a control and I thought I had engaged the flux capacitor for 1978...all lined up in a row: a 510, RX3, MKII Escort and a SAAB 99. We had a blast even with the ball joint issue that kept us from finishing sad smiley
Fastest 2wd time on 4 stages and 5th fastest O/A on SS8 was our highlight and a nice end to the season.





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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 10:01AM
Hey John,

VERY nice to have real struts in the rear again!. Spring rates and overal response matched the fronts extremely well on the jumps (there are PLENTY of jumps at BRS), and damping was pretty much the classic critically damped response. Installation was a snap with the rear Starion set-up, and the way things were arranged. And the nice bonus of having some rear damping was that we did not smash our new 2.5" exhaust system to bits.

Bent one of our front strut tubes about 20 degrees just above the spindle casting on the last stage; car drove fine and we finished, but I suspect that we pinched/crushed the lower end of one of the GAB inserts. We HAD a pair of the last few Starion GAB rally inserts that we know to exist; darn! So expect a call very soon......

Rally was great; PERFECT rally weather; rain on Th/Fr and no dust; good for driving AND for spectating. Very challening roads with some wild, wide open straights and also some very twisty narrow stuff. Nice to have all service and registration and rally administration in one single location. And a treat to get a hot breakfast in Harrisburg on Sat AM before the event. BRS is still a superb rally in my book.

RallyMoto field out in force. The fastest cycles were closer to the cars than at Sandblast; but they slowed more in the dark on the last 2 stages; it's hard to beat all those rally lights on a rally car!

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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 10:39AM
We had a blast besides bending the rear beam while letting Luke pass on ss6 i believe. Learned lots of new things. Achieved our goal which was to shakedown the car and to manage to finish.

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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 02:43PM
Hey...
Not sure what's up with the motor. Death rattle, but unsure just where it's coming from. Stopped prior to ventilating the block. Very frustrating. I built the bottom as right as I know how, and with the best parts. Ran great and very strong, but started a low frequency knocking that didn't get better. Smoke out the back etc. I didn't touch the head, so perhaps something up there? We'll see.

As for BRS. The rally is awesome. Short stages, and a single day event, so not the West Coast rallies, but very little un needed Red Tape, friendly....just easy. Very nice. I wish all rallies were like that instead of some of these guys trying to run 'FIA' events that area huge PIA. Awesome roads out there. The one stage we ran a very competitive time especially considering it was my Brothers second co-drive ever, and first on Jemba notes (last was tulips).

Real let down though. Can't sell a car that isn't running, and hard to fault the car if it was an error on my part putting the motor together. It's killing me getting to events and not finishing though....arrrrgh.
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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 03:04PM
Saabfarm Wrote:
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> Awesome event! Nice compact schedule with great
> roads and low key atmosphere. At one point we
> pulled up to a control and I thought I had engaged
> the flux capacitor for 1978...all lined up in a
> row: a 510, RX3, MKII Escort and a SAAB 99. We had
> a blast even with the ball joint issue that kept
> us from finishing
> Fastest 2wd time on 4 stages and 5th fastest O/A
> on SS8 was our highlight and a nice end to the
> season.

Man I've never ever seen that. We've ripped off corners where just the lower bushing holders and the shaft remain, good ball joint. Done uppers ripped off, good balljoint.

Listen you may have some ideas but while your poking around, say how you dod you weld up of the lower arms---how tight is the sliding fit? I alsways would do the welding with a ball joint in position and the bolts tightened, then backed off like 1/4 turn. And that would result in a good tight fit, and I'd chamfer the balljoint where it's milled flat to a 45 degree break to make it easier to bang the ball joint in.
Also since I never use the 6mm front "sway bar" I didn't use the mounts that sat over the ends of the bolts and found that without the plates i was bottoming the nut on the shoulder of the a arm bolt, so you have a washer under the head of the bolt and under the nut?

Sumpin sure as hell is up cause I've use trillion mile POS Balljoints I'd pull off customer cars and never seen that kind of ball joint failure, not TRW, Lemforderer, not even Scan Tech.

Tell us what you find.
Shame about the DNF, saw piccies and the car looked nice and sideways like Gawd intended.
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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 04:05PM
I've made bananas out of ball joint bolts before but never thought that the joint would fail like that! The joint was a TRW and this was maybe its 5th rally or so. It was the upper one on the right side. My thinking is that my bump stops have gone to poo allowing a harder bottoming of the suspension. Thats the only way I can imagine the amount of force required to break the thing being generated. This was probably compounded by the frequency of very large yumps in this rally. The sea turtle sized rock we hit on SS7 probably didnt help much either.

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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 01, 2007 10:23PM
BRS was fun, fun and more fun. I like laidback events like this one. Codrove the Datsun 510 w/ my pal Nui. Yapping with Michael Gillespie, driver of the Escort MK2 during the turnaround stages standing there in the pitch dark was great conversation. And that Rx3 was way fast. Finishing was just icing on the cake.

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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 02, 2007 08:14AM
Here is the press release.....


For Immediate Release October 1, 2007

Quantum Rally Sport Secures Two Championships with Win at Black River Stages


Josh and Jeremy Wimpey of Quantum Rally Sport claimed two championships with a win at Black River Stages in Harrisville, NY on September 28, 2007 http://www.blackriverstages.com. The event was the final round of the 2007 Eastern States Rally Championship (ESRC), and the win gave the Wimpeys first place for both the Modified 2 Class and the overall ESRC driver's championship.. Black River's stages were some of the most exciting of the season and consisted of a full day competitive racing that lasted well into the dark. The sights and sounds of rally cars and motorcycles drew crowds of excited spectators who lined up along the stages to catch a glimpse of the thrilling action while the brisk fall weather and scenery provided a wonderful backdrop to the animation.

Photo coutesy of Pete Kuncis at http://www.onalimbracing.com

Josh and Jeremy Wimpey of Quantum Rally Sport entered the event with the intention of securing both the Modified 2 class (M2=modified two-wheel drive) and the overall Driver’s and Co-driver’s championships in the ESRC. A smart race strategy brought those championship goals to fruition with a 1st place finish in two-wheel drive and a 6th place overall finish.

That race strategy was born when the overall championship frontrunner Seamus Burke withdrew his Mitsubishi Evo from the event leaving the door open for several other teams to chance a podium position. The Wimpey brothers would have to finish high in the standings to claim the overall championship wins. Gear selector issues plagued the team all day and prevented them from selecting top-gear on the high speed portions of the stages. In addition to the gear selector issues, the team was forced to use extra caution on the rougher parts of the stages when they realized a broken ear on the starter motor which is also integral to the front motor mount.

Despite the minor mechanical issues, the duo led the two-wheel drive contingent throughout most of the day. Most importantly though, a 6th place overall finish was good enough to claim the 2007 overall driver’s and co-driver’s championships in the Eastern States Rally Championship.

Photo coutesy of Pete Kuncis at http://www.onalimbracing.com

The final event of the 2007 season is an invitational-style shootout in Laughlin Nevada http://www.rallyusa.com where the fastest teams from the east coast and the fastest teams from the west coast are invited to battle it out for the United States Rally Championship national title. This will be the first attempt at a national title for driver Josh Wimpey who is excited to mix it up with the best teams from across the country as they race in and around the Grand Canyon from November 8th through 11th. “I’ve never done a race out west. We are super excited to have earned an invitation to the national championship and we hope to demonstrate that we deserve it by placing high in Nevada,” stated the enthusiastic driver.

Once again ready for action and servicing for the Wimpey team was Delta-V Motorsports http://www.deltavmotorsports.com. Quantum Rally Sport is proud to continue a partnership with Delta-V as well as with NGP Racing of Aberdeen, MD http://www.ngpracing.com, Victory By Design Graphics http://www.VBDgraphics.com , Bildon Motorsports http://www.bildon.com, ProMaxx Chemicals and L and E Fabrication http://www.LandEFab.com .





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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 02, 2007 08:54AM
A video clip from the 2nd half of SS7. We had a hard hit at 48 seconds and then again right after we pass the escort. Quite a yumpity stage.



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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 03, 2007 03:47PM
Yeah,
Watched it and saw how HARD that thing hits the ground.
A bump stop isn't gonna take that kind of abuse.
Really fast tho (as usual).

New guy (to me) Kent Gardam and I had a pretty easy time of it,
If I had to guess, I'd say the Jembas weren't as well tuned as usual.
We went wide on a L5 and the road off the road was better than the real road, I was expecting to see a dotted line painted on it. (meaning: we weren't the first ones there)

That makes 3 rallies and no dents or dings.
(one was 1/2 distance due to that darned 2wd axle deal)
That's gotta be a record of some type.
Pleased with how the addition of the 4wd made the Wimpeys look "slow"
after how they buried me at WVa.

Just fun all around, seems like everyone knows everyone and we're all happy to have the opportunity to be gravel-sling'n assholes out in the woods.
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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 03, 2007 04:16PM
Hey Randy, I watch a couple o stages, cool stuff, loved the woods and looks like really good roads.
Does all those display things have any kind of lag or delay to the revs and MPH???

Anyway, that's for posting them.



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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 03, 2007 06:53PM
Wish I could have made it out to BRS to work/spectate, but family/childcare issues kept me home. Glad Greg's event is so well received, we need more low-key mellow no BS events in the northeast US. I've been to three events in Canada and two in the US this year (as service crew), and I've had the most fun at the Canadian events by far.




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Re: Black River Stages--what's the Que Paso?
October 03, 2007 08:02PM
John,
the raw video should be almost perfect.
I've noticed some sound shift to some of the compressed files.
Look at the numbers and listen to the sound as close to the start and they should be the best.

The roads were much like Canada with Large rocks forming apexes (no cut!!) ss1/2/11/12 (same road used 4x) was pretty soft but the rest were decent packed & firm.

Andrew,
let me guess, the unhappy rallys have RA connected to them?
Like STPR?
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