Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Mod Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
all i know is i have three friends, and another person who i would say is more of an accquantance, all of which have used their conceal and carry in self defense wihtout which could have resulted in who knows what.
there are plenty of occurances where people cooperate with their attackers just to get shot, stabbed or beaten too. also, cleveland sucks. dont live there. First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
Jay Jay Woodward Mega Moderator Location: Snohomish, WA Join Date: 12/21/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 893 Rally Car: '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege |
Wow. I am dern near speechless. That has what to do with anything here?
Ya know, I don't live in fear of scumbag attack. I don't live in fear of my house burning down, either. But I have several loaded fire extinguishers on hand. So tell me, is that irrational, out of touch with reality etc etc etc etc whatever? Getting back on topic, that .357 ought to do the job, and that's all I have to say about that... Jay Woodward Snohomish, WA '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege Chronologically, 46... |
RallyTaco Chris Lanctot Mega Moderator Location: Livonia, MI Join Date: 03/15/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 107 Rally Car: just a wannabe |
Jay Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Wow. I am dern near speechless. That has what to > do with anything here? > Ya know, I don't live in fear of scumbag attack. I > don't live in fear of my house burning down, > either. > But I have several loaded fire extinguishers on > hand. > So tell me, is that irrational, out of touch with > reality etc etc etc etc whatever? I think to make the comparison fair you would have to jam one of those extinguishers down your pants and walk around with it all day just in case there is a fire while you are taking a dump or something ![]()
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Jay Jay Woodward Mega Moderator Location: Snohomish, WA Join Date: 12/21/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 893 Rally Car: '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege |
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heymagic Banned Senior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
I used to carry a S&W .357 but it was a bit bulky. I had the 5 shot Chiefs Special for a while but now have a 59 S&W 9mm. Anytime we go out of town so does a gun. I'm a S&W fan. We got Brent a Glock for Xmas and he has a permit already. Nothing wrong with carrying a gun.
My point was to learn to use the gun. Practice, practice, practice. Be able to draw the weapon and shoot with speed and accuracy. I think many of the people who are shot trying to defend themselves are either hesitant or inaccurate. It amazes me to see both police and civilians drop a clip full and never hit anything at close range. The trick to legal self defense is that you can't escalate the situation. Buy hollow points. |
SEANT SEAN TENNIS Mega Moderator Location: SEATTLE Join Date: 01/23/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 275 Rally Car: SAAB 99, SAAB 96 850, SAAB 99T, SAAB V4 |
john vanlandingham Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Jay Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Nobody is gonna change anybody's mind here, > > specially seeing's how this thread started > off as > > a which gun advice question. I could go on > but > > why.... don't judge me and I won't judge > you, > > howzat? > > > Agreed that nobody will ever change anybody's > mind, and that is part of the problem we face as a > country. basic irrationality is so ingrained and > reinforced in our culture that it merits whole > essays and books have been written on how fear is > manufactured, and perpetuated and persists > regardless of documentable facts to the contrary. > A serious essay written in 1964 lays out the > problem which has only become worse in the > intervening years: > > The Paranoid Style in American Politics > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > Q > > The Paranoid Style in American Politics[1] is an > essay by the American historian Richard J. > Hofstadter, first published in Harper's magazine > in November 1964. Written at a time when Senator > Barry Goldwater had won the Republican > Presidential nomination over the more moderate > Nelson A. Rockefeller, Hofstadter's article > explores the influence of conspiracy theory and > "movements of suspicious discontent" throughout > American history. > Contents > > > * 1 Themes > o 1.1 The paranoid style as a recurring > theme in American political history > o 1.2 The paranoid style defined > o 1.3 The Enemy Reified > o 1.4 Emulating the enemy > * 2 Reviews > * 3 See also > * 4 References > > Themes > The paranoid style as a recurring theme in > American political history > > Hofstadter begins by noting that: > > American politics has often been an arena for > angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry > minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, > who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater > movement how much political leverage can be got > out of the animosities and passions of a small > minority. But behind this I believe there is a > style of mind that is far from new and that is not > necessarily right-wing. I call it the paranoid > style simply because no other word adequately > evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, > suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I > have in mind.[1] > > Hofstadter goes on to detail historical paranoia > directed against Illuminism, Freemasonry, and the > Jesuits, and follows this strain in American > politics through what he considered its modern > incarnations in McCarthyism and the activities of > the John Birch Society. > The paranoid style defined > > Hofstadter describes the unifying characteristics > of the paranoid politician thus: > > The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of > conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in > the birth and death of whole worlds, whole > political orders, whole systems of human values. > He is always manning the barricades of > civilization... he does not see social conflict as > something to be mediated and compromised, in the > manner of the working politician. Since what is at > stake is always a conflict between absolute good > and absolute evil, what is necessary is not > compromise but the will to fight things out to a > finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being > totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be > totally eliminated — if not from the world, at > least from the theatre of operations to which the > paranoid directs his attention. This demand for > total triumph leads to the formulation of > hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these > goals are not even remotely attainable, failure > constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of > frustration. Even partial success leaves him with > the same feeling of powerlessness with which he > began, and this in turn only strengthens his > awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of > the enemy he opposes.[1] > > The Enemy Reified > > Perhaps the most trenchant part of his essay is > the descriptive phrase of how the enemy is thought > to act, the description of that personality: > > The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a > perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral > superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, > sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the > enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast > mechanism of history, himself a victim of his > past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, > indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, > or tries to deflect the normal course of history > in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on > banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, > and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has > produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history > is distinctly personal: decisive events are not > taken as part of the stream of history, but as the > consequences of someone’s will. Very often the > enemy is held to possess some especially effective > source of power: he controls the press; he has > unlimited funds; he has a new secret for > influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a > special technique for seduction (the Catholic > confessional).[1] > > Emulating the enemy > > Hofstadter also notes the element of psychological > projection inherent in the paranoid style of > politics. That is, > > It is hard to resist the conclusion that this > enemy is on many counts the projection of the > self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects > of the self are attributed to him. The enemy may > be the cosmopolitan intellectual, but the paranoid > will outdo him in the apparatus of scholarship, > even of pedantry. Secret organizations set up to > combat secret organizations give the same > flattery. The Ku Klux Klan imitated Catholicism to > the point of donning priestly vestments, > developing an elaborate ritual and an equally > elaborate hierarchy. The John Birch Society > emulates Communist cells and quasi-secret > operation through "front" groups, and preaches a > ruthless prosecution of the ideological war along > lines very similar to those it finds in the > Communist enemy. Spokesmen of the various > fundamentalist anti-Communist "crusades" openly > express their admiration for the dedication and > discipline the Communist cause calls forth.[1] > > The article also notes that "sexual freedom" is a > vice often attributed to the paranoid politician's > enemy, and notes that "very often the fantasies of > true believers reveal strong sadomasochistic > outlets, vividly expressed, for example, in the > delight of anti-Masons with the cruelty of Masonic > punishments." > Reviews > > In an August 2007 article, Scott Horton wrote that > The Paranoid Style in American Politics was "one > of the most important and most influential > articles published in the 155 year history of the > magazine > > Full essay here: > > > Look out! there's another ________________________ > behind that bush gonna get you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay Woodward > > Snohomish, WA > > '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege > > Chronologically, 40... > > > > > John Vanlandingham > Sleezattle, WA, USA > > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat > > www.rallyrace.net/jvab > CALL +1 206 431-9696 > Remember! Pacific Standard Time > is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Excellent example of BS ! As always IMHO SEAN TENNIS KF7JJR SEATTLE, WASHINGTON SAAB 99, SAAB 850 SAAB V4, SAAB 99T |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Sorry Sean, I think Hofsteader wrote back then an excellent analysis of one of the things that makes US political culture different from so many other places and which perfectly describes what came to be perfected in the subsequent years.
John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
derek Derek Bottles Junior Moderator Location: Lopez Island/ Seattle WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 853 Rally Car: Past: 323, RX2, GTI. Next up M3 ? |
Personally I have mixed feelings on the subject.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011556804_carnation09m.html In the long run reality always wins. |
SEANT SEAN TENNIS Mega Moderator Location: SEATTLE Join Date: 01/23/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 275 Rally Car: SAAB 99, SAAB 96 850, SAAB 99T, SAAB V4 |
john vanlandingham Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry Sean, I think Hofsteader wrote back then an > excellent analysis of one of the things that makes > US political culture different from so many other > places and which perfectly describes what came to > be perfected in the subsequent years. > > John Vanlandingham > Sleezattle, WA, USA > > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat > > www.rallyrace.net/jvab > CALL +1 206 431-9696 > Remember! Pacific Standard Time > is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. As you said, you think, I disagree, it's hard not to come to the authors own conclusion; "It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self;" in other words this is the author ... As always IMHO SEAN TENNIS KF7JJR SEATTLE, WASHINGTON SAAB 99, SAAB 850 SAAB V4, SAAB 99T |
Morison Banned Mod Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Couple of points:
john vanlandingham Wrote: > Look out! there's another ________________________ > behind that bush gonna get you! Shouldn't 'bush' be capitalized? Jay wrote: > ... if you're going to commit to not being a victim ... I'd think that if you feel a need to carry a concealed weapon you're already a victim. (but then again, I live in Canada) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 ![]()
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Mega Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
I know one person who used a gun to stop a house burglar and hold them until the police came.
I know of five people that have died due to accidents with guns or suicide using a parents gun. All were under the age of 18. One was a family member. I'm from Wyoming, the state that is looking at getting rid of concealed weapons permits and just making it legal to carry a concealed weapon. Seems like that policy would have probably made this situation potentially much worse. http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/article_f447304a-27b5-5eb6-b382-dae7c01a1bc7.html I like shooting guns. I will never own one or live in a house where there is one. I have no problem with people having guns for hunting. I grew up eating game meat in one of the poorest economies in the nation. Statistically you are more likely to be shot with your own weapon than to shoot someone else with it. Grant Hughes |
JohnLane John Lane Senior Moderator Location: Lynden Washington Join Date: 01/14/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 725 Rally Car: The Fire Breathing Monster |
derek Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Personally I have mixed feelings on the subject. > > > > > > See me go at: > www.11tenths.com > In the long run Reality always wins. Homeowner should should have aimed for the head. Less criminals would make things more secure. Criminals who live in fear would also help. JohnLane Overkill is consistently more fun |