WRCWRXSTI John Turner MacCallum Junior Moderator Location: Friday Harbor WA Join Date: 05/25/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 136 Rally Car: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX |
hey guys, new here. i was sent in this direction from someone over at special stage, promising me i would find more technical information. what i have found is a bunch of crazy rally nuts which i think ill fit in with very nicely
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Jon Burke Jon Burke Senior Moderator Location: San Francisco, CA Join Date: 01/03/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,402 Rally Car: Subaru w/<1000 crashes |
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WRCWRXSTI John Turner MacCallum Junior Moderator Location: Friday Harbor WA Join Date: 05/25/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 136 Rally Car: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX |
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fiasco Andrew Steere Mega Moderator Location: South Central Nude Hamster Join Date: 12/29/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 2,008 Rally Car: too rich for my blood, share a LeMons car |
You have your real name and location there, who cares if the user name is silly! Now for a rally car you just have to be ironical and build an anti-WRCWRXSTi for a rally car. I would suggest a Wartburg or a Renault Dauphine.
Oh, and having a mortgage, kids and a car payment are sure ways to never get around to building a rally car...which is why I just sit around and clicky clack on the keyboard and make sarcastic remarks that may actually be kind of funny a few percent of the time! Welcome! |
A1337STI Alex Rademacher Mega Moderator Location: Reno,nv Join Date: 09/10/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 686 Rally Car: 93 GC with an 01 RS swap! |
That makes me want to avoid all 3 like the plaque ... my GF keeps bugging me for a wedding ring though, and a house and kids. *sigh* Maybe i'll drop back down to a production class fwd Impreza when all that happens... lame ... Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/27/2011 04:42PM by A1337STI. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah fwd Subie is deffo pretty gawddam lame. And nothing is lamer than Prod-suction class So it's Lame3. One of the things we tend to stress to Noobs around here is to make sure you don't paint yourself into a corner. Which is another way to say choose a platform that doesn't have some built in dead end.. So we tend to push cars which are quick enough to keep a Noob's eyes WIDE OPEN and be enough fun for a couple of seasons without spending big money building a motor. And part of quick is not just a rip-snortin, rootin'-est, tootin' est motor, but gears and final drives suitable for the motor. Example: Adam Crane goes pretty good ----and has tons of fun too---and his little barely warmed up Toiletta Commodah has a little microscopic 1,6 motor--and 5.35 final drive. Garth from Portland in the prettiest car out there, the red Saab 96, has a anemic pushrod 1730 motor, does real good---and has a 5.45 final drive (and weighs under 2000lbs). On the other hand the 2.5 motors while not that exciting, will go pretty good if you just floor 'em and then nail the throttle open----as a awd car. Where would somebody find a 5+ final drive for some Lame3 fwd thing? On the other hand the 2.5 motors while not that exciting, will go pretty good if you just floor 'em and then nail the throttle open----as a awd car. Maybe some cams---available less that 20 minutes from your door----maybe a weee bit more compression and they could be allright. Of course it still have the notoriously pooopy gearbox, but hey: you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think! (That's the answer to the command "Use the word 'horticulture' in a sentence".) Have you started building some lame3 blue thing? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
WRCWRXSTI John Turner MacCallum Junior Moderator Location: Friday Harbor WA Join Date: 05/25/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 136 Rally Car: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX |
i cant say im a ford fan, but i think a ford festiva would be pretty fun to build/rally ![]() |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
You wrote "Festiva". Shirley, you jest. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
WRCWRXSTI John Turner MacCallum Junior Moderator Location: Friday Harbor WA Join Date: 05/25/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 136 Rally Car: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX |
ehhh, i would probably buy one prepped, but when the time comes to actually build my own car i want it to be something worthwhile, and cost effective. i hear hyundais have some good, cheap options for suspension and other parts... damnit, i really want a GC8 impreza, but i dont wanna be just another subaru...
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Aaron Luptak Aaron Luptak Mod Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
if you picked that up from your thread on SS, I think you may have gotten the wrong impression. The only reason that I was saying Genesis was because you brought up the subject of relatively-inexpensive (in new car terms) 'light' (in new car terms) rwd coupes. I'm guessing that Grant brought up the Accent because, out of current-model-year-cars, it's probably one of the cheapest, lightest cars out there. Neither of which meant to imply that they're actually good or easy choices for rally cars. Really the only current-model-year-cars out there with off-the-shelf rally parts are the subarus (obviously) and the Fiesta (R2 - $$$$$). In my mind, the short list of reasonable rally cars for the non-independently-wealthy: * Volvo 240 - plentiful spares, Toyota rear end swap seems to be pretty well developed, allows cheap final drives and cheap, good LSDs. * * B13 Sentra SE-R - pretty good 'out-of-the-box' FWD car. No idea on parts availability to go faster in the future. * Honda Civic - probably needs a little more work (particularly suspension-wise) out-of-the-box compared to the Sentra. Plenty of spare body parts, all the power plant options one could want, 'cheap' (for FWD - still 5x the toyota 8" parts) final drives and LSDs. |
WRCWRXSTI John Turner MacCallum Junior Moderator Location: Friday Harbor WA Join Date: 05/25/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 136 Rally Car: 1988 Mazda 323 GTX |
thanks for clearing that up for me Aaron. it does appear i misinterpreted the information on those posts. its pretty interesting to know that the volvos, nissans, and merkers are good choices for rally cars, i see they are mentioned pretty frequently on the forum here but those definitely werent names i associated with rally in the past. even though its nice to not go along with the crowd, i guess there is a reason why so many people rally subarus though, and not just because of the name.
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aj_johnson A.J. Johnson Elite Moderator Location: Pendleton OR Join Date: 01/07/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,381 Rally Car: 88 Audi 80 |
Eh the house isn't such a bad Idea if you can do it seperately from the other two problems. Couple o roomies paying rent, a garage, and you are paying less than you used to pay for rent. Add the wife and kids? garage becomes a display for car parts you have no time to touch, children's toys, and holiday decorations. Go get them xr4ti's in seattle, the package deal. |
mack73 Jason Wine Mod Moderator Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: 02/20/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 448 Rally Car: Started a Golf... Never Finished It |
So true. When I started my build just a GF and fresh out of college with paid off student loans. So student loan money was now free for car build. Then came the wedding ...... add 16 months of delay and remove all available money for anything other than necessities. Then came the house ..... add 1 year of delay and again remove all money. Fast forward today - car is 85% done and the wife litterally said yesterday. You better get that car finished because after kids I don't know if you'll get all that money for car projects.......DOH -Jason |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Godlike Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Maybe if you're only shopping in Vermont/New Hampshire. Mitsubishi Evolution. Nissan Versa based on Renault Clio. Renault Clio has R3 kit available. Honda Civic. Again. R3 kits available. 2008+ Hyundai Accent. RSSP makes suspension for them so I'd be willing to bet with some searching you could find other rally specific parts. The classified section at rallycarsforsale.net will show you all the potential from Europe. Of course, sourcing parts will always be harder. Open Light Subaru GC is probably one of the best options for rallying. They can be fun and fast enough though you will hardly ever get to work on them. Resisting the turbocharger is the hard part. Things can get out of control quick with any Subaru. Three diffs, active center diff and controllers, six speed boxes, bigger brakes, more power, stand alone ECU's, etc. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Sorry, but it is strictly because of incredibly effective marketing. Look, rally is a few potato skins deep here, not even small potatos, and when you look to the countries where it is an esablish mass sport with thousands of participants---in countries with 1/5 to 1/10 the US population---so don't see hardly any Subies. A couple of years back I posted links to Finnish car stats conting individual cars entered. Overwhelming biggest numbers: Ford Escorts by double anything else. Then came Corolla rwd, Starlets rwd, Asconas rwd, Manta, 240 Volvo, BMWs, all these with in the mid 30s-50s except the Escorts where there were over 200, then came like 40 something Misterbitchi Evos, and out of all entries in a very active country: 5 individual Subarus FIVE. Sure they are popular here, hell I've done so much Subaru suspension I'm cross-eyed. But it is sheepishness and inertia and lack of skill and understanding what is the decisive parts of a car than drives the popularity. In essence it is the blind leading the blind, and self referential logic. Realistically it is only USA, Canada and OZ where Subarus relentless marketing and huge investments in otherwise tiny markets have triumphed. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |