What's the story with VW stud bolts?

Seriously? Why?

I've known about them for quite sometime.. but have only recently dealt with the stupidity.

Does anyone actually like that setup?

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Andrew M
Onterrible
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hudson Wrote:
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> Seriously? Why?
>
> I've known about them for quite sometime.. but
> have only recently dealt with the stupidity.
>
> Does anyone actually like that setup?

Yeah dogmatic Krautski Injurnears.
Nobody else with a brain could possibly like them.
>
> Andrew McNally
> Hamilton ON
> 28

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Yeah dogmatic Krautski Injurnears.
> Nobody else with a brain could possibly like
> them.

Seriously though.. as far as I can tell it just makes remounting wheels like 300x more complicated...

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

Just be glad you've never dealt with the mid 90s Mercedes super long studs that have a small bolt head area, then a narrow shaft to the wide conical seat then the threads. If some meat head zaps these down with an air gun, the head snaps off when you try to loosen, and the conical seat stays! Then you get to spend hours with drills, torches, plasma cutters and explosives getting the conical seat out so you can remove the wheel! Fortunately I was just a witness to this happening, although I did get to mount a tire on the spare rim while my friend Chris was cutting and zapping and swearing for FIVE HOURS to get the TWO that snapped! And we were using hand tools to remove the bolts!

Here's the offending part: STUPID!!!!

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
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Clearly they are Germany's revenge after WWII.

hudson Wrote:
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> Seriously? Why?


VW's engineering morons still do that? Hehehe,,,, That's funny!

But.... if you really want to whine try working on a few Audi 100LS's. After a few of those, particularly those with in-board front calipers, VW's lug bolts will seem like child's play.

Jens Wrote:
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> VW's engineering morons still do that? Hehehe,,,,
> That's funny!
>
> But.... if you really want to whine try working
> on a few Audi 100LS's. After a few of those,
> particularly those with in-board front calipers,
> VW's lug bolts will seem like child's play.


I'm hoping to limit my contact with german cars and tools from here on out.

I'm positive there are more annoying things out there, trust me. It's just the absolute stupidity that gets me. Why anyone would think that's a good design when the studs on the spindle design works just fine is beyond me.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

fiasco Wrote:
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> Here's the offending part: STUPID!!!!

NOW THAT'S moronic! Are they having a competition over there?

The engineer must have been trying to limit rotational mass..

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

Eddie Fiorelli Wrote:
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> Clearly they are Germany's revenge after WWII.


You rally a VW.. do you like the design at all? I think the first thing I'd do to my VW would be to modify it so it had proper studs.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

Kind of silly to "limit your contact with german cars" due to something that takes all of 10 minutes to fix. Studs are cheap and easy to put in the hubs. VW's are cheap and easy to work on. Not as simple as a subaru, but break down less.

Carl S Wrote:
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> Kind of silly to "limit your contact with german
> cars" due to something that takes all of 10
> minutes to fix. Studs are cheap and easy to put
> in the hubs. VW's are cheap and easy to work on.
> Not as simple as a subaru, but break down less.

I'm not being uber serious man. It's my girlfriends car that I don't have the time to work on. Also it barely won over a Saab 99 or Volvo, both of which I'd much rather wrench on. In fact theres a small chance she'll sell it and buy a 99

I'm sure it's a pretty easy fix.. but it's my girlfriends daily driver.

the bit about staying away from german cars is just a joke.. although I'm not running out to buy one or knocking on my neighbours doors who own german cars with tools in hand

The original post was just to see if there was something good about it.. other than VW saving 20cents a car.

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

I'm pretty sure that most Saabs and volvos use lug bolts too.
Though volvo does help a little on the ones that have the locating pin on the hub that mates with the wheel.

Carl S Wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure that most Saabs and volvos use lug
> bolts too.
> Though volvo does help a little on the ones that
> have the locating pin on the hub that mates with
> the wheel.

No Volvo I've ever owned. Granted the newest was 1972.

"Pre-1988, SAAB used lugs and nuts for the 900/99 with a lug pattern 4x114.3mm, or 4x4.5", 71mm centerbore The 9000 always used a bolt system with a lug pattern of 4x108mm, or 4x4.25" Post-1987 [1988 model year], the 900 used the 9000 hubs/brakes with bolts NG900, 9^3, 9^5 are all 5x110mm"

I didn't know that.. but I wouldn't buy a Post 1988 saab

Man it seems like newer Volvos have gone to it as well..

why?

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

So have bmw, mercedes, audi, and probably other european brands that we dont get. Its a euro thing I guess.

I think Volvo and some Saab are the only ones who don't use 'em.

VW has 14mm bolts now.

I used to hate 'em, but now I kinda like 'em. The threads are protected so you rarely if ever wreck the threads trying to remove the bolts if the car sat without hubcaps for more than a few months.

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