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Brian Johnson
Tow rigs doubling AS rally cars will save rally. (At least that seems to be the Estonian model...)

i like it!!!

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Reamer
I thought rally all ready had teared classing? In rally they call it a speed factor.

Speed factor only effects start order.
Someone with a 0.1 can enter national and call themself a professional and an expert if they so desire. And only about 41 other people actually know that they aren't.

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Grant Hughes



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/21/2014 05:37PM by NoCoast.

On a side note. MConte. I spoke with Honda guy after LSPR at the Continental. He was completely humbled and deeply in love with rally. He will be back. Not fast, but back. Lol. Yahoo paid for LSPR for him.

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I was just thinking a minute ago, "I wish I had time to go race go karts for fun some night." Then I chuckled as I thought, I'm sure they guys that race go karts for fun would say, "I wish I could afford to go rallying." Or something along that line.

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Grant Hughes

CARS has a seeding system. Nobody really pays attention to it and few drivers even know their seed.

Also, we were one of the first 'national' teams to enter open class instead of P4 for regional events, or even regional portions of national events, because we were aiming at the overall win, not the class win regionally. We thought it was the right thing to do, other thought it was arrogant and insulting. The scoring program choked the first time we entered P4 nationally and Open regionally... it didn't like that.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

UTVs will save rally - just not as we know it today. Gravel roads will continue to get harder to get 'cause of the Greens. Tarmac especially so because tarmac is inevitably closer to population centers and those inherent problems. Large riding areas for UTVs, bikes, and 4x4s such as the Hatfield/McCoy riding area in WV, Coal Creek in TN, and similar places throughout this Great Nation will still be available (at least in the longer short term). Two track with minimal risk to spectators makes organizing much easier, you can tap a whole new group of volunteers, and not have to deal with Government and it's objections to you having fun.

If you want to make money in rally, set up that series.you will laugh all the way to the bank.

My .02.

Wilson

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Morison
CARS has a seeding system. Nobody really pays attention to it and few drivers even know their seed.

Does it serve a purpose?
The one thing I liked about the old seeding system in SCCA was that you had to have somewhat decent results before you could enter the national championship.
I don't think it needs to be complicated, but I think splitting up into novice and expert makes sense. As does reducing the number of classes.

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wvonkessler
UTVs will save rally - just not as we know it today. Gravel roads will continue to get harder to get 'cause of the Greens. Tarmac especially so because tarmac is inevitably closer to population centers and those inherent problems. Large riding areas for UTVs, bikes, and 4x4s such as the Hatfield/McCoy riding area in WV, Coal Creek in TN, and similar places throughout this Great Nation will still be available (at least in the longer short term). Two track with minimal risk to spectators makes organizing much easier, you can tap a whole new group of volunteers, and not have to deal with Government and it's objections to you having fun.

If you want to make money in rally, set up that series.you will laugh all the way to the bank.

My .02.

Wilson

Not a bad idea at all.

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NoCoast
Does it serve a purpose?

Yes, until next year.
The initial start order is based on the seeded draw. Organisers have some leeway to 'move' a driver into a different seed based on expected, or demonstrated, performance.
CARS is moving to a SpeedFactor for start-orders. The idea was initially that it would be a hybrid where seeding would still be the first sort, but speed factor would be the second sort, and an indication of when someone deserves to be moved up a seed or two.

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NoCoast
The one thing I liked about the old seeding system in SCCA was that you had to have somewhat decent results before you could enter the national championship.

We have a low-ish bar for getting a national license ... 'successfully competing in' two regional. (which is deliberate language)

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NoCoast
I don't think it needs to be complicated, but I think splitting up into novice and expert makes sense. As does reducing the number of classes.

We have novice and expert championships (overall) in both the region and nationally. (for drivers)
Enter 5 events the previous year, or finish in the top 10 and you're bumped to expert. If you start a year as a novice you finish the year as a novice.
The problem is you get some people sitting out an event one year to maintain their novice status for the next. On the other side of the coin, you get people who just do events and end up screwing themselves out of a novice championship because they finished one too many events.
Reducing seat time doesn't really help, does it?

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.

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wvonkessler
UTVs will save rally - just not as we know it today.

what gets me is that dropping 15k on a utv doesn't seem like a big deal but scraping together $ for cage or something is a non-starter. It's probably splitting hairs but cross karts look like more fun.

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wvonkessler
UTVs will save rally - just not as we know it today.

what gets me is that dropping 15k on a utv doesn't seem like a big deal but scraping together $ for cage or something is a non-starter. It's probably splitting hairs but cross karts look like more fun.

Bet the difference is that you can finance a UTV.

Racing on credit, crashing out, and skipping out on payments for something you can't use anymore will save mini-rally!

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wvonkessler
UTVs will save rally - just not as we know it today.

what gets me is that dropping 15k on a utv doesn't seem like a big deal but scraping together $ for cage or something is a non-starter. It's probably splitting hairs but cross karts look like more fun.

Bet the difference is that you can finance a UTV.

Racing on credit, crashing out, and skipping out on payments for something you can't use anymore will save mini-rally!

And you can take the trail riding in many areas just for grins and giggles. UTVs have a pretty wide range of uses.

The nice thing here is there are way less opportunities for UTVs than bikes in the competition sense, the bad thing is there is really nothing for them in rally beyond Idaho. I could see doing the UTV thing, not the least bit interested in a rally car.

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NoCoast

The one thing I liked about the old seeding system in SCCA was that you had to have somewhat decent results before you could enter the national championship.
I don't think it needs to be complicated, but I think splitting up into novice and expert makes sense. As does reducing the number of classes.

Grant, you slut, are you fucking high again?

Since fucking when?

Requirement in old days for "National" or so called "pro" licence: 1) novice class with some guy ad-libbing and rushing thru some absolute basics, then talking about triangles and the Red Cross deal---which nobody caught anything---
and then b) a divisional Pro-rally" which could be a sprint of a --and I have seen it literally a cruise thru the woods never above 35, never above 3000 rpm---presto National "Pro" licence


Why do you think that anybody with sense has complete contempt for the pretend acting that there is a difference between "national" and "Club' or the ridiculously named "Pro" (don't make me vomit) and "divisional"

Where do you get that idea?

Otherwise you're on the right track.
Obviously most people want gee-gaws so a few classes..

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No, Grant is right on this one JVL.

SCCA 2003, 2004 Rules, page 17. Roughly... "must have seed 5 to get your prorally license" and "must have finished four clubrallies"

Seed 5 was "finished twice in the top 60% at a clubrally"

Similar language in ra 2007 rules, but with a class restriction, not a license restriction for non-full licenses.

I didn't check the rest. But it certainly used to be case back in the SCCA days... but we're talking about a decade ago at this point for that.

Edit: you can argue that those requirements were low, but they were still there. I know in my RallyTruck, finishing in the top 60% was hard. Don't know that I ever did.

Anders

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I think just straight up rallying a UTV would be awesome. Top spec equipment brand new is like 10-15K. Buying used just goes down from there.

Cheaper tires, cheaper parts, long travel suspension, Still has a cage that can appease the wife.

Plus this adds to the logistical challenge of the event with a two person team. Coms, and notes with no windows sounds super entertaining.