Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!

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I was wrong, apparently "The Legend" John Hall will save rallying in Canada...
Except I think (THINK) Keith was kidding...

Not Kidding.
John joined in on some of the meeting by Skype from his holidays. He takes office in Mid February.

Well that's excellent, I think John will be well suited for the role (as others did). Congrats to John!

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I heard she is not on the CRS board anymore, don't know if that is true or not. There is a problem with her scheduling her SW events on top of existing CRS events not to mention the 1/2 truths, over promises and way under perfoming she seems to specialize in.

This is true. After it was suggested that a Co1,1,1,1,1 (yes 5 Coefficient 1 rallies?!) would kinda screw up the scoring for the CRS championship in 2012. The board voted to keep it to no more then 3 event legs and no more then 6 total Coefficients (certainly welcome to run more stages - but they won't count for the CRS championship). Then there was talk that these Co1's weren't even a handful of miles. After that the meeting got heated, Denise got upset and pulled ALL her events from the CRS in a huff.

This after years of plunking down events on top of everyone, telling people what WE were going to do, and speaking for the CRS by announcing dates before they were final or voted on.

- Kris



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I heard she is not on the CRS board anymore, don't know if that is true or not. There is a problem with her scheduling her SW events on top of existing CRS events not to mention the 1/2 truths, over promises and way under perfoming she seems to specialize in.

This is true. After it was suggested that a Co1,1,1,1,1 (yes 5 Coefficient 1 rallies?!) would kinda screw up the scoring for the CRS championship in 2012. The board voted to keep it to no more then 3 event legs and no more then 6 total Coefficients (certainly welcome to run more stages - but they won't count for the CRS championship). Then there was talk that these Co1's weren't even a handful of miles. After that the meeting got heated, Denise got upset and pulled ALL her events from the CRS in a huff.

This after years of plunking down events on top of everyone, telling people what WE were going to do, and speaking for the CRS by announcing dates before they were final or voted on.

- Kris

I had heard part of that . The co-ef stuff I hadn't heard . How silly. We had a megalomanic up here and I know how that can upset the boat.

Most of the USAC stuff was hammered out by Steve McQuaid and Kevin Miller long before Denise ever considered abandoning the RA ship. With the new fee schedule her events wouldn't viable with the small entry numbers. She kept trying to say her events were feeder events for the national series and deserved a special lower fee. Now she is the voice of USAC and speaking for Olympus or its organizers. Not good.

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Now she is the voice of USAC and speaking for Olympus or its organizers. Not good.

Yep - That's pretty much happening right now.
Annoying for us regulars. Disheartening for new people getting involved in the sport.
The "Almost a national!" * "TV and media coverage!" * "Prize funds and balloons for the kids!" - started 12 cars last year, and 9 the year before that.

I want more rally and more competitors, but no one should be able to afford to put on a rally for 9 people and give away free shit. At that point you're just pulling from the pool of people that do 2 rallies a year. Stressing the last of the big rallies like Prescott. Oh and burning out 100 volunteers that will never be interested in helping a rally again.

- Kris

There is nothing worse for the sport than competing interests and overpromising, underdelivering. I did however happily accept my $200 Group 5 SWRC winnings the year that Rally Colorado was part of the SWRC with so many coefficients that it was really the only event in the silly little championship that mattered. I know of at least two Colorado teams that did the SWRC simply hoping to win the Team O Neil 2 day award or whatever it was.

Sometimes I feel like such a dick. But I have always believed that sometimes someone has to say what many are or may be thinking...
http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?47121-USAC-Western-State-Championship-Annoucement&p=429441#post429441

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A case study:

This is what happens when you typically over-promise and usually under-deliver.



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Hard to have a rodeo without a little bull....

Somewhere bit became fashionable or expected that the rally community just accept crap being shoved down their throats and decisions being made without their input. We had a chance to change that to some degree. I'm not sure where the USAC thing will end up, if their 'vision' of rally is sane or not. If they accept Denise' reality they won't be around long.

No worries, just give them enough rope they'll hang themselves and blame it on others.

What I don't understand is how come the same people insist on putting Titanic in reverse and drive it right back at the icefuckingberg. And by the way Denise is not abandoning RA ship, just pretending.

I read on that other site that they were consulting with JB, big fucking deal, is JB gonna call the UK to get their opinion AGAIN ?

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M.Samli
Phoenix AZ
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EVO III GSR (Stolen)


Rallies are no place for traitors

Fuck it. Nobody is being serious here. Looks like I'M gonna have to save Rally:

Everybody! - line the hell up for your Ass Whuppin'.....

(and that's only "Special Stage One"

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And by the way Denise is not abandoning RA ship, just pretending.

Looks like she did, given that they are no longer part of any RA regional championship or sanctioned by them.

Kris's version of the story is correct. Denise pulled her events out of the CRS in a huff at the CRS Board of Governors' meeting in Nov 2011. It wasn't so much the format of the event as the date though. She'd scheduled it right on top of the Ridgecrest Rallyschool. She had some valid reasons for doing so - some external date constraint - but she'd made the mistake of committing to that date and expected the rallyschool to move. The rallyschool was already committed to that date, and had indicated that months previously.

The CRS's general policy is to stay out of organizers' hair and help them put on good events. That means providing advice, equipment, various web tools, forms, a worker database, and so on. That also means that it stays sanctioning-body agnostic. It leaves the sanctioning-body/insurance selection up to the organizer - pick whatever's best for your event. However, part of "putting on good events" means negotiating a schedule such that Organizer A's event doesn't have a negative impact on Organizer B's event.

For 2013 the CRS and SWRC events are spread far enough apart that there aren't really any conflicts. She's scheduled an event for 2014 that's right on top of the usual CRS Banquet weekend, which is my current headache. Gotta figure out that one.

A more pressing issue is that the Olympus organizers and the Oregon Trail organizers have bracketed Idaho with a mere two weeks between all the events. OTR has a long history, so from my point of view they've got a reasonable amount of precedence. Olympus, on the other hand, has bounced around a bit and them scheduling their event so close to Idaho strikes me as being terribly rude - especially since Idaho has done a terrific job of gaining momentum over the last few years. Anyone have any ideas on how to deal with that problem?

-michel
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Self-righteous douche canoe

Nope.


Actually all 3 events have been dancing around the schedule the last couple years. Oregon swapped with Olympus a couple years ago. RA moved Olympus for whatever insane reason last year. Idaho moved for their reasons. Obviously with multiple or no sanctioning bodies overseeing stuff this has greater opportunity to happen. Oregon probably has precidence. Olympus has issues with road use both earlier in the year and later in the year. Idaho wasn't consulted with the Olympus date. The proximity of the dates was brought up and the burden it might put on competitors. Someone mentioned that with such advance notice the competitors had plenty of time to save up funds. Possibly true but what about the volunteers who are stretched pretty thin these days or people with broken cars? I don't know. I'm not so happy with the way things are headed . Strange days are upon us.

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Actually all 3 events have been dancing around the schedule the last couple years. Oregon swapped with Olympus a couple years ago. RA moved Olympus for whatever insane reason last year. Idaho moved for their reasons. Obviously with multiple or no sanctioning bodies overseeing stuff this has greater opportunity to happen. Oregon probably has precidence. Olympus has issues with road use both earlier in the year and later in the year. Idaho wasn't consulted with the Olympus date. The proximity of the dates was brought up and the burden it might put on competitors. Someone mentioned that with such advance notice the competitors had plenty of time to save up funds. Possibly true but what about the volunteers who are stretched pretty thin these days or people with broken cars? I don't know. I'm not so happy with the way things are headed . Strange days are upon us.

I believe Olympus moved last year because by going to a different date they could get back to their roads west of Shelton. (which are amazing roads)

I agree, sucks that rallies are so close together on the calendar.

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And by the way Denise is not abandoning RA ship, just pretending.

Looks like she did, given that they are no longer part of any RA regional championship or sanctioned by them.

Ya ya ya....

Just because they are no longer sanctioned by RA doesn't mean that they are off the RA band wagon.

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Rallies are no place for traitors

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And by the way Denise is not abandoning RA ship, just pretending.

Looks like she did, given that they are no longer part of any RA regional championship or sanctioned by them.

Ya ya ya....

Just because they are no longer sanctioned by RA doesn't mean that they are off the RA band wagon.

And the occasional odd post like this..

"Kevin would not want a fully FIA rulebook. JB and Kevin have discussed this for quite sometime...this would mean the winged seats, etc. But all rally rulebooks are from the FIA platform but have been modified to meet the needs of USA rallying...the same will be of the USAC rulebook. It will align along with the RA platform. Alan Perry is writing the rule book.
Denise McMahon"

Maybe there is something going on behind the scenes. Much outside effort was put into keeping the events from going NRS (besides everyone hating on Anders). She keeps mentioning JBs name in conjunction with USAC (that'll get me a phone call).

So for the rumor mill....

So USAC basic insurance is about $100 a car (50 car buy in). RAs sanction averages about $550 a car (combined regional and natoinal costs). 50 cars nets about $20,000 to RA minus steward fees etc. Fogg said no more motorhome out west so minimal expenses. Everybody involved lives back east so fairly cheap costs to admin the whole thing. RA collects enough to offset the losses of last year and then banko..big write off is the same as making a profit sometimes. USAC sees the acceptance of the high costs by organizers and competitors and decides to raise their costs and then can afford to hire a rally godfather ...maybe JB ? And life goes on as was.

There was an Olympus meeting last night bit I decided not to go. I'll talk with Steve today. Too much just doesn't seem 'proper' for me, including the date thing.