Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!

Dillon is no longer with Whiskers. He's a VTCar customer now, in an SP car.

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Dillon is no longer with Whiskers. He's a VTCar customer now, in an SP car.

Do you know that or are you assuming it because he's rented a VT for the last couple events?

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Www.bybillwood.com has a great article(s) on how to save rallying. I dont necessarily believe it all but I believe a lot of it.

Perhaps you could link to the articles? The main page is a bunch of GRC stuff.

Anders

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No ACP or Greenhouse yet, I wouldn't count them out.

Greenhouse is already signed up (and paid) over here:
http://www.nasarallysport.com/results/2014-Sandblast-Rally-registration-entry-list.htm
so whatever that means, I'm sure it saves rally.

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4 2wd national entries will save rally!

Wow, I hadn't noticed that! Good year to tow home a trophy then.

Anders

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Now that I think about it, perhaps the prices really have become so high that even Vermont Sportscar feels they need to pay early.

Anders

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Www.bybillwood.com has a great article(s) on how to save rallying. I dont necessarily believe it all but I believe a lot of it.

Perhaps you could link to the articles? The main page is a bunch of GRC stuff.

Anders

Basically "Sucks that STPR "had to" move the date a week earlier so Ben Klock can go play at some Globular Rally-x made for TV epic.

Suck that tradition of xx years gives way for ONE GUY...

So what's the big mishygass on tradition?
It turns out by inexorable logic that "without sponsors there can be no rally, so moving the date so Ben Klock can play means his sponsors will be happy and thus (somehow) it's good for the speccies that they move the date so that Klock can play..both weekends And "If Pravis Trastrana comes back in a Blue Subie...then it'll be even better for the speccies".

So tradition be damned if one guy wants to play 2 week-ends in a row.

Tradition?

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Evan Cline likes to whine about quitting rally and how expensive it is or how Subaru shunned him with their payouts or or or... He's been doing it for years.

Do people think Scion will be back this year? History tells us not likely. Pretty hard to maintain a factory effort with no TV or large ROI.

I'm still surprised Rally America is still around. Must have been the prospect of Pastrana returning and the huge ROI that will add to the series so they can offload it on the next sucker.

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Now that I think about it, perhaps the prices really have become so high that even Vermont Sportscar feels they need to pay early.

Anders

Yup, I was surprised to see Block on the entry list this early. Maybe now he sees the value in saving thousands of dollars over the season...

Was RA planning on the "regulars" continuing to pay the full price? That seems like a strong business model.

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Just for you Anders:

http://www.bybillwood.com/american-rally-stakeholders-at-odds-again/

I dont think its easy to go through each article in order, the best way is to start with the one I linked and then go to his "blog" link and work your way from the November 25th article to the newer ones (one per day).

Now, I'm not going to lie, if you go on some statistical nonsense talk about what he is saying, I may have to kill somebody. Just sayin :p

And more seriously, I feel this is what we in Canada have been doing... in large part thanks to Keith (or at least his supervision). Blows my mind that we can have a 30 car regional like BigWhite when it wasn't long ago we were barely seeing a bit over 10 car fields. Hopefully we can retain the level we are currently at.

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Slicker credit card processing will save rally!

I didn't see HTTPS on that web site.

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Just for you Anders:

http://www.bybillwood.com/american-rally-stakeholders-at-odds-again/

Does anyone else read his writings, hearing his rich tenor in their mind?

Man, he has such a great voice. Perfect for an announcer or radio commentator. Like a not-quite-as-deep James Earl Jones...


The Voice of Bill Wood will Save Rally!

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Slicker credit card processing will save rally!

I didn't see HTTPS on that web site.

No, you don't, not in the URL bar. Lower right corner. The code is happening in the "pop up". All connections to the credit card processor are via HTTPS. You can read more about it here:

https://stripe.com/help/security

NRS does have a SSL certificate installed, which is in use when the popup is active. You can inspect it by loading this:
https://www.nasarallysport.com/nrsdb/
(or any of the other pages in the user account similarly)

Anders

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Now, I'm not going to lie, if you go on some statistical nonsense talk about what he is saying, I may have to kill somebody. Just sayin :p

Ok, no statistics.

Instead, I'll just say that in my opinion, he's wrong, the things he believes are priorities shouldn't be, the ROI he believes exists doesn't, the model that he believes would make rally work has not been successfully used anywhere in the world, and that he doesn't have the conviction to put his money where his mouth is. That's the short version of the dialog, already publicly posted, between him and myself.

Is it better for you with no numbers?

Anders

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Just for you Anders:

http://www.bybillwood.com/american-rally-stakeholders-at-odds-again/

Does anyone else read his writings, hearing his rich tenor in their mind?

Man, he has such a great voice. Perfect for an announcer or radio commentator. Like a not-quite-as-deep James Earl Jones...


The Voice of Bill Wood will Save Rally!

Yeah with an impressive voice saying things like:

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The ice of Sno*Drift, the wide, super-fast roads at 100 Acre, the endurance and rain in Oregon, the forests and water splashes at STPR and New England and the mountains at Olympus are so different they stand out in the timeline of national championships worldwide. It’s why the American championship has grown in stature internationally. We have a gravel championship like no other and it’s very attractive to international drivers who want to compete here.

people will be so impressed they won't notice its unsubstantiated, exaggerated, unsupportable generalizations without a real shread of reality..

Grown in stature internationally? Gimme a break!

"unlike no other' well yeah but that MAY not mean what he think it means---and besides, how the hell does he know anything about other countries National series? Their roads? their social structures?

I think maybe he just likes listening to that voice...content be damned.
Again and again its carefully nuanced "general hype" that jsut isn't true.

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Oh yeah I lurv this guy, such pronouncements! So insightful:

BILLWOODS said

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Further, we believe that there needs to be a greater separation between the individual grassroots entrant and the national championship. It’s not enough to say there are sixty or seventy car fields at an event. Cars 20-70 generally won’t be at any other event but the one that’s in their own region. The seventy cars in Oregon are different than the seventy cars at STPR. Car count or even competitor licenses isn’t a true indicator or measure of the health in a national championship. It might be a measure of the economy in that region but not the strength of the national championship.

Once again another in the long line of "media" geniis that thinks there is some intrinsic or substantial qualitative difference between people who waste the money paying $xxxx dollars and those with more snese who pay $ZZZ dollars..

Who IS this guy?
Why do all ALL the people who think they are media people--talkers---blabber-ers--- think they should suggest WHO should enter an event..
Who do they think they are?

IF there was some difference----aside from entry fee and towing distance---then many of the so called "National class" would not be finishing sprinlkled all over the entire field, right down into the near last overall.


And if BILLWOODS knew anything he's know that and not be suggesting any separation---more an obliteration of the false differences.

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