Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
Posted by Anders Green
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The car burnt COMPLETELY to the ground. I suspect there was a violent failure of some pressure vessel during the rapidly burning fire, although as an SP car they shouldn't have had a valved boost reservoir in the car. (Could be extrapolation from some other failure) Tires pop really violently in car fires... First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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But it ain't. You have a tendency of minimizing any perspective that doesn't fit your own, but I can assure you that when we were looking at moving to spec fuel, those were the exact concerns brought forward by the board, the organisers, and the competitors who bothered to write to CARS about the proposed change. Only for the very top teams on most of our events. From experience I can tell you that the normal privateer doesn't burn at the same rate as the top teams (.25/.75), and won't go through a full drum at an event. But... OK... even at $400 per event in fuel savings, it would take two or three events to pay off even the most modest of builds wouldn't it? Maybe, but again that's what we heard from the competitors themselves. Funny thing was it was when we were suggesting they look at pump or race, and disallowing blended pump and race, which might as well be pump. FFS. Can't we all agree that for the most part it isn't the car that makes someone fast or slow in North American fields? (or forest roads)
But the question is if the gain is worth the pain in the first place. If we went to pump gas unilaterally, then we'd probably lose a number of US competitors who have been coming to Canada, and the organizers would be pissed! While the class changes hasn't seemed to have cost us entries, there were also very few cars taht actually had to change anything to be compliant. If you want a more equitable comparison, look back to 2009 and the requirement for Head & Neck devices and FIA seats. That saw close to a third of the teams running at the time to 'take a break' that lasted anywhere between a couple of events to a couple of years. (It took about 4 years for entry levels to return to where they were before H&N were required) Finally, the idea of hobbling one group of competitors is an interesting approach, but I'd think that the current seeding system is a bit too coarse to do that effectively, and our new speed factor too 'young' to be really meaningful. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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OK work with me in a "Guided Q&A" Q: Why would the "mid pack guys" be using race gas @ 10-13/gallon? Because they want to spend 2.4 to 3.5 times what pump gas costs just to show off and pretend they "too hip"? A: Obviously because they belive they must because the next guy will and if they don't THEY WILL LOSE AND LIFE WILL END if the don't win THE BIG RACE!!!! Q: And why will the other guy spend 2.4 to 3.5 times as much? A: because Q: and whyyyyyyyy are the guys at  the self described Pointy end of the stick using race gas.
Are THEY using it just as yet another crass display of conspicuous consumption like so much else of what they do? Are they voluntarily spend multiples more on a whim? A: well they have optimised they motors for race gas Q: and why is that "optimisation" such that it requires race gas? A: because the fucking things won't rev Q: because there is is a fucking tiny hole in their inlet which effectively strangles airflow IN to the turbocharger---but no restrictions on what happens to the air AFTER the restriction, so guys will exploit the rules to make the motors go better. And if it won't rev, then logically they make it into a Torque monster..... Q: And how are they doing that? A: running extremely high compression, funny turbo pressure ratios and aggressive anti-lag Q: and so the end of the stick guys are doing that, mid-pack guys feel they have to do the same?
A: they have to! Or the won't have a chance... Q: How have all the Aussies managed to survive when they gave turbo awd guys the option to run restrictor and FIA spec race fuel OR no restrictor and pump gas as they did a couple of years ago.. A: just fine.. Can you look at this and see if I left out anything.. Obviosly there is the typical--typical amongst guys who think that the solution to going faster lies in buying equipment (that is why they are in a car with all the gee-gaws, and spend so much, isn't it?) that if somebody is doing it then they must also do it...So if the rules makers knew anything--and its clear they usually have extremely limited experience in engines and management systems and no clue what the rest of the world is doing cause "merikuh merikuh merikuh!! if restrictors were dumped, ther need for extreme compression and boost would diminish and with the lower threshold of detonation they wouldn't die with pump gas, right? How? and since I am sick and tired of the years of Morison's letter by letter, word by word parsing of anything I saw while totally unaware of any larger picture, could you point out to him that it is once again highly ironic that he is using the "But it will cost people money if we mandate pump-gas" when there was no consideration about that in the Great Group 5 Debacle where they added a confusing arry of weights and restrictors and fucked things up royally as only a committee can do.. 
Jus saying. Pump gas MIGHT just save rallying for many--once they get done snivelling.. (Race gas sure seems a waste for turbo AWD when so many were so crushingly stomped by a little 1600cc n.a. car with a driver who knows how to drive.) I gotta go drill some holes in some fawking top mounts John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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