Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
Posted by Anders Green
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You'd rather I just make shit up? And just to be clear, most of the time I'm simply sharing the information that led to decisions, not actually taking a position on it. I don't disagree, but many were also complaining at the cost of a tune, even if an engine build didn't come in to play. Actually, no. It was the 10-20,000 per year guys, and to some degree the E85 guys, that were at the centre of not signing a spec fuel deal. OK, so I'm lost on what you want. Are you advocating for lowering costs through limiting competitors to pump gas, or do you want reasonable allowances to let competitors do what they want? Right now, you can run any unleaded fuel you want in Canada. If you're not talking about fuel, what 'reasonable allowances' do you want to see? Or $340 for a 200l drum of spec 'pump' 94 if you're in the Quebec Championship. (all cars must run a spec fuel with a choice of 94 or 'WRC Spec' 102RON) But what does CARS have to do with this fuel monopoly. Noted. We've tried to talk to suppliers about a sponsorship deal for this without any luck. (doesn't mean it couldn't work now) But delivering to events and testing the fuel would cost money if it weren't sponsored. (quick math tells me it would bump the cost of the fuel by at least ~$0.25/L over the 'pump' price if we paid for delivery and testing.) Why fight when you can simply be more engaged in the conversation earlier on in the decision process? First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Thank you. I was about to say. Rally needs MORE beer, not less. Even in wine-guzzling France and Italy, rally runs on beer... Irish tells me nearly every control is sited intentionally at a Pub...With good reason. adding up scores and doing time cards is thirsty business. Fer fucks sake Alex! Bad enough you drive a Blue Subaru---what next? mandated fuckin gree tea? Beer is the only hope to save rally.. (say the guy who can't remember the last beer I drank---which can be taken various ways...  John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Oh i never said i didn't drink like a fish. (Beer and Whiskey, wine if i cooked with it) I just don't think its good for me.
 and i'm not about to change my habits.
ya Grant in really bad 3rd world countries drinking like 0.5% drinks is much better than questionable water. in normal conditions Sanitary water is better than Beer for the body. (not as much fun though) (good for the soul, bad for the body) same with driving really fast in cars. my soul demands it, but it doesn't really make any financial sense ... hehehe and my subaru isn't Blue .. yet .. well one of them is (daily driver) lol hmmf |
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Sure, but it comes across as you taking a position. It is up to you as the dispenser of said info to make it clear whether you are saying it as an opinion or not. If someone takes it as your opinion (which 99% of people do), then you aren't doing a very good job are you now? And I wouldn't rather you make shit up, as I've come to learn in a few, select situations ( :p ) I simply say "I don't know", which is a reasonable response. Or I preface my info with "I found THIS information from THIS specific person/entity". I most certainly don't go "I talked to exspurts who know more than either than us".
Should be about $1k. As I've pointed out, race fuel is about double the cost of pump 91 UNLESS there is a deal in place. I haven't found said deals yet.
No offense to Chris, but "the" E85 guy is more appropriate. Which is fair, because he has built his rallycar around running E85. So I expect him to trumpet as loud as I do for his own cause (if he even did, I don't know). I mean, I don't have a list in front of me of who runs E85 in Canada, but it isn't extensive, and seeing of how you are holding the information so close to your chest...
The allowances are extremely reasonable, but at the end of the day, they more penalize competitors than help them COMPETE. Which is why I assume we race, for competition? Rallymax from VP, or Elf, or any of the other crazy fuels out there (which are legal to run) are up to $1200+ per barrel. And the price isn't so bad, but if the distributor has to ship it to you... Point is, nobody will ever compete at the front with the big boys unless they are sponsored and/or independently wealthy. Which is fine, but everyone behind them will PUSH whatever financial limits they can to try. Because that is why we race. Rather than creating a system which incentivizes vomiting money all over the place, CARS could slowly rework the rules so privateers could be more competitive against the money cannons. Point is, its another example of how the current system is broken. People see the $400k cars at the front and go "I can never afford that". Hell, a local from Fort Mac just brought up a Swift rallycar from California even though he already had a nice 2.5RS because he didn't think competition in 4wd was feasible.
Nothing at all, you are right.
I'd pay that.
I was last year, was I not? I specifically was referring to "this" argument. Do I ever leave anything alone Keith? 
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Shhhh people will find out about the SUPER SECRET WRC coolant. Next thing you know people will start finding out the Beer is the secret and prices will start going up. 
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