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Some people say US rally needs to look more professional? Now im confused so to be a professional I need to make a living at it. Now I also need a clean nice haualer and freshly painted clean rallycar. Hand out posters and give away merchandise.

Actually, that's pretty much what "the Spitzner proposal" of a decade ago came up with.

http://linaracing.com/temp/VisionGuide.pdf

"Appealing team image. Vehicle appearance. Team presentation."

Good God, Anders--

If Jens opens this thread, he's likely to have a life-ending cardiac event! :|

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Some people say US rally needs to look more professional? Now im confused so to be a professional I need to make a living at it. Now I also need a clean nice haualer and freshly painted clean rallycar. Hand out posters and give away merchandise.

Actually, that's pretty much what "the Spitzner proposal" of a decade ago came up with.

http://linaracing.com/temp/VisionGuide.pdf

"Appealing team image. Vehicle appearance. Team presentation."

I will say, I don't know what has changed, but in Canada at the very least the rigs have gotten bigger, the equipment more ridiculously expensive, and the cars nicer across the country since I started volunteering in 2006. You certainly do not see any shitboxes anymore with rust up here (extremely rare anyways). People bringing multiple mechanics as their service crew etc etc.

It's not a bad thing I guess... but it definitely makes rally appear more expensive then it already is. I like the fact that the people that are competing appear to take pride in not having a rusty pile of garbage. I'd also like to see said people drive faster.

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I will say, I don't know what has changed, but in Canada at the very least the rigs have gotten bigger, the equipment more ridiculously expensive, and the cars nicer across the country since I started volunteering in 2006. You certainly do not see any shitboxes anymore with rust up here (extremely rare anyways). People bringing multiple mechanics as their service crew etc etc.

It's not a bad thing I guess... but it definitely makes rally appear more expensive then it already is. I like the fact that the people that are competing appear to take pride in not having a rusty pile of garbage. I'd also like to see said people drive faster.

Hey Adam, I resemble that remark! Yes, it'd be a lot tougher getting an 8th OA in my old shitbox with a newbie Navie anymore. Thank Subaru Canada and CARS for helping the sport grow while the US is treading water. By the time US crews get a hang of the sport, they're broke and disappear. Get a team to survive 5-8 years of constant competition and the speeds would climb, but the guys think more money equals speed and they spend it all before they grow the balls to use it.

A NEW RALLY SCHOOL!

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?58793-We-need-help-from-the-entire-rally-community-to-help-fund-a-new-rally-school-in-SoCal

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A NEW RALLY SCHOOL!

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?58793-We-need-help-from-the-entire-rally-community-to-help-fund-a-new-rally-school-in-SoCal

Humpy Wheeler quote(ish): The most dangerous person in the world is a racing fan with a bulldozer.
Maybe a solar-powered bulldozer in this case.

They lost me at Socal...

Ken's Dollar spent rallying to income ratio is probably one of the smallest in the country. I'm okay with people with large incomes spending money on a hobby/sport they enjoy. We need WAY more of them and for them to stick around longer.
I should have had a third category, for those spending a reasonable amount relative to your income/wealth and not worried so much about trying to make it a career or some other such nonsense.

At this point, I probably think more about how I can find a way to get young guys, like 16-18 behind the wheels of rally cars then how I can get myself more time behind the wheel of a rally car.

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Pretty sure they lost me at "we've never rallied" ...unless there was something written before that. I was skimming for experience since I didn't recognize their names. Is the Primitive Rally School that they attended even a full blown deal in rally cars, or is it just a formal rallyx type school?

Dave

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A NEW RALLY SCHOOL!

http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?58793-We-need-help-from-the-entire-rally-community-to-help-fund-a-new-rally-school-in-SoCal

All I could say is:


Or



I mean what about...no



But but!

Even the baby panda is hurting think how to break it to you


Now if you told us about the decades you drove rally, the years spent building engines, gearboxes , diffs, suspension cages, the "highest grades completed IN RALLY or some difficult sport, a few results, who you know etc then maybe there would be a little less face-palming...

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That thread is going to get ugly

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That thread is going to get ugly

I was thinking about it last night (before any of the responses showed up) and I came to the same conclusion. And I thought it was sad (that it would get ugly) because here are two young people who have enthusiasm and interest and it's never fun to hear that your big idea might not work out, even more so after you've put some time in to the project.

Anders

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That thread is going to get ugly

I was thinking about it last night (before any of the responses showed up) and I came to the same conclusion. And I thought it was sad (that it would get ugly) because here are two young people who have enthusiasm and interest and it's never fun to hear that your big idea might not work out, even more so after you've put some time in to the project.

Anders

I'm the same way, but i'm not sure how you can put what they are trying to do in perspective. Really the best advice to give to them is go to rallys meet some people, organizers involved, talk to the people in the sport, then reevaluate. But we both know that neither of them will probably ever show up to a rally.

I'm not sure how you can start a rally school without knowing the the people in your target audience.



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Feels like an MBA class exercise.

Initial premise is that Timo is overcharging.
It'll be tough to match his costs in SoCal.

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Pretty sure they lost me at "we've never rallied" ...unless there was something written before that. I was skimming for experience since I didn't recognize their names. Is the Primitive Rally School that they attended even a full blown deal in rally cars, or is it just a formal rallyx type school?

Dave

Primitive is run by Paul Eklund who I met some years back at a RallyX "national championship". From what I can tell it's rally instruction in a RallyX type environment. In other words, no dedicated roads to practice on.

Environmentally friendy rallying by using ethanol fuel will save rally........

And on that new eco-business vibe if some of you currently participating in rallying wish to offset your excessive carbon usage, you may each send me $50 per stage entered and I will plant the equivalent number of trees for you. Think of the children.....
(Oh, I'll try my best to make them rubber trees seeing you feckers need new tyres every couple of stages!)

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