Grant Hughes Professional Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Don Kennedy Professional Moderator Location: Reading, PA Join Date: 10/05/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 227 Rally Car: Impreza |
Matthew Conte Elite Moderator Location: St. Louis, MO Join Date: 06/27/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 257 Rally Car: 1991 Subaru Legacy Turbozzzzzz |
I agree with the awards party. At least at RA nationals they need to go back to giving the trophies out at the parties. I used to tell everyone to come to the party, drink beer, hang out with Pastrana/Block/etc, maybe get some autographs from them for all the workers who couldn't go to Parc Expose because they were out there WORKING making the rally possible. Always was fun. Now in the last 2 years they give away the trophies for the top guys, they never show up to the afterparty, and we stand around for an hour waiting to get plaques/trophies. It's great to get all the food and beer afterwards, but also would be nice to pick up the pace when it comes to giving out the trophies. But the whole provisional results thing makes it drag on forever. Some of the races you really do just want to get some food, get the trophies and head out to either party or crash at the hotel since you've got a 15 hour tow the next morning. At STPR this year we didn't get back to our hotel till 12:30am despite the rally being over by 8:30 since we were locked in Parc Ferme after the super special (WHY?! I wanted to load the car up and get everything packed) and then had to watch the entirety of Easier Said Than Done, and then listen for all the trophies to be given out. Do they mail out trophies for those who don't stick around? All of this makes me sound like a whiny bitch doesn't it? 
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Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
I've never done hill climbs, but I don't like hill climbs. I honestly don't think I'd bother entering an event that didn't offer at least single pass recce. But that's OK... it's what I'm used to. For those who think recce hurts events, we've been running two pass recce at all of the western Canadian events for over a decade now and our entry levels have never been better and proportionally WAY stronger than entries in US events. (Canada is almost universally 1/10th of the US in just about every measure. Our rallies are at worst 1/2 of the US entries.) Interestingly, but hard to actually connect, the areas where entries are waning are where there hasn't been two pass recce in the regional events. Personally, I love long events and long stages in particular. Nahwatzel 27 seemed to fly past, even in the dark. I've got a 43km to 53km stage lined up for Big White, but staffing and permissions are tricky. (hell, I just sketched out a 280km event that would run in under 12 hours! - over 3 hours of stage time for the WINNER - but... I don't think the community would support it.) First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
randy zimmer Senior Moderator Location: Buffalo, NY Join Date: 03/12/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 196 Rally Car: rallycross 13B Miata |
Jeff Reamer Junior Moderator Location: Marlette, Michigan Join Date: 08/14/2010 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 489 Rally Car: Subaru |
steve czwalga Godlike Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
No I agree, STPRs was brutal this year. Mainly because they dont serve beer, and watching an entire length feature film before awards starts. I thought they were joking. Seating is limited too. Sno*drift lestage usually hangs out and stays to the end; but they serve beer. |
Banned Godlike Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
And you're just some old dumb fuck on the internet. Why in the hell your opinions are any more valid than his would be an interesting question to ask, and the response would be they aren't, except for maybe in Junior Varsity's head. Who the fuck do you think you are John, and what the fuck have you done in your pathetic miserable life? 
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Dave Kern Elite Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Aaaaand... that'd be a red card for Adam.
First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Banned Infallible Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Not to argue but I don't remember any 'divisional' until the late 80s . Norwester and Olympus 83 were SCCA national rallies. At some point they did shorten the divisional events, I thingk the fees were less. They also made us start a couple minutes after the last national car. That got to be a hoot for the fast divisional guys , we'd catch the slow national cars in 4 or 5 miles some stages. Silly stuff for sure. That was however SCCA not RA or NRS so hardly worth a lot of concern.
Now, I have thought about shortening Olympus one stage at the end. Regional guys would get less miles but they pay 1/2 the price roughly so no one is getting fooked really. The reason I would consider it would be to get the volunteers in earlier so they could be part of the festivities and and get a hot meal with the rest of the event. So many times workers get poked on the deal, get 3 or 4 cars off on a stage and the crew can be there quite a while. Just a thought for now, not RA mandated or suggested. One of my favorite volunteers got out of the woods early this year and commented how nice it was to see awards and whatnot. Adam, if we totally disregard JVs stage rally career he still has been an integral part of the sport and has helped many people over the years. The worst I could say is he may be over zealous trying to keep people on a path they may not have chosen. Great machinist, very clever designer, enthusiastic and dedicated ralliest. A bit too political at all times so that tends to lessen the amount of credibility but he has done a lot, both on stage and off. I'll happily call him an asshole some days, friend others... but I don't think he deserves total disrespect. So bite your tongue and lets see if we can go a week without a big flare up. Penalty box for 10 minutes 
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Anders Green Professional Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
You mean the 30 minutes? I've never been involved in a rally that didn't pick up the microphone and start doing the awards the second they were ready.
Welll... the most delicate way to put it would be for me to request that you perform as homework an estimate of how long the day is for the volunteers who get up to get stages ready for you, then do all the scoring, then handle all the inquiries while you're eating, then clean up the awards hall while you're back at the hotel, then pack all the stage equipment while you're sleeping. I can only wonder if those guys "just want to get some food and crash at the hotel because THEY have a 14 hour drive the next day". 
I can say this: Since I got started organizing rallies, I've purchased a lot of two thousand dollar meals that I've never eaten a bite of. :| There are several things you can do to help: 1) Don't go ask scoring how much longer it will take. Every second they spend with you is two seconds longer it will be, as they have now lost their concentration. 2) Don't ask the organizer or officials how much longer it will take. They will then be tempted to go ask the scoring people, which, from above, already causes delays. Trust me, the scoring people ALREADY KNOW that everyone wants scores. 3) Volunteer to help organize incoming equipment. How does this help? It means the organizer/officials have more time to _proactively_ seek out and handle inquiries before the 30 minute window is completed. This includes setting up or taking down banners inside or outside. 4) Volunteer to organize the trophies. Often there's 50 trophies sitting in a box, and they need to be organized by class, rank, etcetera, and not having this done slows down the presentation. 5) Volunteer to MC some non-award related announcements. Like volunteer raffles or something. Often these COULD be done earlier, but they are not, since they are generally done by the same people who announce the trophies. However, this is BECAUSE those people are putting as a highest priority finishing the scores, not doing announcements. So, that is how you, as a racer, can help speed up the scoring process at the end of the day. 
Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2014 03:50PM by Anders Green. |
Anders Green Professional Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Banned Godlike Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
I have gotten a (couple) red cards before in soccer when I was younger. Usually for asking the ref if he was an idiot. Point is, I'm sick of JVL's constant belittling of people, their thoughts, opinions, and ideas. So screw him. I've been trying not to post in the forum, but I have no problem telling that miserable bastard to fuck off. Really, I'm just giving back almost verbatim what he has said to me before in previous iterations of this argument. We have a similiar person at my work. Similiar attitude, similiar mindset, its really amazing how similiar (while still being different people) they are. And you know what? Nobody likes him either. Both miserable, opinionated know it alls who run on the little goodwill they have made by helping out a person here and there over time (hard to define what "helping out" is if the person receiving the help is not someone who should be judging whether the outcome was positive or negative), and then are a pain in the ass drag to deal with the rest of the time. Edit- P.S Keith, maybe you can reply to my email about rally stuff eh? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2014 04:42PM by HiTempguy. |
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