dang I love responses that start with fuck you. Thats what made america great

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> gilbrock Wrote:
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> >>
> > The economy is a muther right now. Use it to
> your
> > advantage to bargain. I doubt any
> cagebuilders
> > are turning away business right now - make
> them a
> > cheap offer, if they refuse, wait a month or
> two
> > until they're more broke and then they'll do
> it.
> > Sad to say, but there is a silver lining for
> some
> > people during this economy, and it's those
> with
> > cash.
>
> Fuck you. The materials still cost X amount and
> my time is still worth X amount. I've never been
> the most expensive guy around and I've always been
> willing to work with people and I like to think my
> reputation speaks for itself. But I'm not going
> to slash my prices right now because the economy
> is bad. My landlord hasn't lowered the rent
> because the economy is bad. If I wait a month or
> two for him to accept my lower rent offer he's not
> going to accept it, he's going to evict me.
> Besides, at the moment, knock on wood, I'm plenty
> busy. Who knows what the future holds.
> Call me in a month or two and maybe we can make
> a deal.
>
>

Wow, nice hostility. Did I miss somewhere in my post where I called you out by name or questioned your abilities? Ummm no.

But in this economy, I'd be willing to bet that some fabricators who aren't blessed with a backlog of work like yourself would be MORE THAN WILLING to come off their price point to get a deal done.

And fuck you too!

What you were saying in essence was "With the rough economy, some guys who make their living---and a lot more modestly than I do are probably hurting for work, so seems like a great idea to go and try and low-ball them, sorta kick them in the nuts while they're already hurting so i can get my playthings done cheaper"

That is what you were saying, realise it or not.
So solly, round eye!

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Sleezattle, WA, USA

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gilbrock Wrote:
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>
> The economy is a muther right now. Use it to your
> advantage to bargain. I doubt any cagebuilders
> are turning away business right now - make them a
> cheap offer, if they refuse, wait a month or two
> until they're more broke and then they'll do it.
> Sad to say, but there is a silver lining for some
> people during this economy, and it's those with
> cash.

Its dick head shit like this is why I closed my shop and gave the fuck up on dealing with toys and racers ... Now I just do work for people who understand that I have to eat and pay the bills too..

Why is it you can make a living but someone else has to do work for free ..?????

I'm with Dave.........Fuck You.........!!!!!

Brian ....I've got all the stuff to do cage work ...And have a lot of time doing them ,,If you need tooling or info look me up...

David

Hazardous Toys inc

Wow, someone's diaper's full.

Guess I'm the only one who knows fabbers and other skilled tradesmen who aren't too proud to realize that the economy is in the shitter and that they might have to lower their rate to get business that they might not otherwise get. It's called supply and demand, look into it.

It's Dave's fucking holier-than-thou attitude that blew this shit up in the first place. I was trying to tell Brian some tips and you took it all way out of context. I don't see you offering any advice or help other than your little tirades. Me, I offered him things he can actually use like HANS and a driving suit. You offered a little tantrum.

And by the way, I lost my job two months ago and am about to default on my mortgage so please do not fucking lecture me on the woes of the poor tradesman.

Flame away, I'm fucking over this thread.

gilbrock Wrote:
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> But in this economy, I'd be willing to bet that
> some fabricators who aren't blessed with a backlog
> of work like yourself would be MORE THAN WILLING
> to come off their price point to get a deal done.

And that statement right there is the the absolute best way to put yourself out of business. I can't even count the number of companies and contractors I've known that went slumming on price and were going to "make it up on volume", "get their foot in the door", or some other horseshit. They're all gone now...

I think a more pleasant way to put Elis advice would be to see if I might be able to barter a bit these days. Rather than try to stick it to someone responsible for the equipment that might save my ass, I might be able to negotiate or something.

Dunno. I do know that Eli got thrown under the bus jobwise a couple months back, so its not like he's out to write a check to karma here.

I appreciate the info in this thread and am trying to see if I might be able to trade some of my labor in exchange for access to equipment and guidance before summer. Might not have the cash, but I have the time. What is time worth to some people?

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

Hmm i could use a cage job too bad your far away could work it in under 1800 bucks
from just dropping 3000 on steel i can get 100 feet of Dom 120 1.5 for around 4
bucks a foot. and i have everything else. good luck though i have always wanted to
mess around with a vr4

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SteelSolutions Wrote:
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> Hmm i could use a cage job too bad your far away
> could work it in under 1800 bucks
> from just dropping 3000 on steel i can get 100
> feet of Dom 120 1.5 for around 4
> bucks a foot. and i have everything else. good
> luck though i have always wanted to
> mess around with a vr4
>
> my new site is up and running!!

BUmmer, dude. It would be an honor to work with such an amazing entity of god-like proportions!

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

gilbrock Wrote:
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> Wow, someone's diaper's full.
>
> Guess I'm the only one who knows fabbers and other
> skilled tradesmen who aren't too proud to realize
> that the economy is in the shitter and that they
> might have to lower their rate to get business
> that they might not otherwise get. It's called
> supply and demand, look into it.
>
> It's Dave's fucking holier-than-thou attitude that
> blew this shit up in the first place. I was trying
> to tell Brian some tips and you took it all way
> out of context. I don't see you offering any
> advice or help other than your little tirades.
> Me, I offered him things he can actually use like
> HANS and a driving suit. You offered a little
> tantrum.
>
> And by the way, I lost my job two months ago and
> am about to default on my mortgage so please do
> not fucking lecture me on the woes of the poor
> tradesman.
>
> Flame away, I'm fucking over this thread.

You're totally missing my point. My post wasn't intended to be about me but as an example to show the point of view of people who are in this business to eke out a living in general. We see this all the time, people who can't afford their hobby, or more commonly who can but choose to try to get something for free or at a huge discount because they think $2000 or whatever is too much to spend on a rollcage for their rally car. Can't afford that because they just bought some bitchin' new rims for their daily driver Evo X or STi or whatever. So the guy who is building the rollcage that might just save your life is supposed to take it in the shorts so you don't have to spend as much on your hobby? I'm not saying this is your guyses situation specifically but we see it all the time and your selfish post suggesting you lowball cage builders was insulting and hit a nerve. Judging by some of the responses I'm not the only one who feels this way. Sure, you may find someone who will work for food in these lean times but do you really want to trust your life to the lowest bidder?
When people try to pull this shit on me now I turn it back around on them. What, suddenly you don't want to pay $xx for yy work you had me do on your Porsche? You're what, a realtor? Great, I need a house but if I buy one I can afford to go racing so you should give me one. Or, you're a computer programmer? Great, write me some software for my business. Here's $50. You see where I'm going with this.

And "holier than thou attitude"? Wow, you really know nothing about me, do you? Lol!

everyone's so sewious!

Some people are willing to negotiate, some aren't. Fact of life. Done and done.

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

SteelSolutions Wrote:
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> Hmm i could use a cage job too bad your far away
> could work it in under 1800 bucks
> from just dropping 3000 on steel i can get 100
> feet of Dom 120 1.5 for around 4
> bucks a foot. and i have everything else. good
> luck though i have always wanted to
> mess around with a vr4
>
> my new site is up and running!!

shit...how about for a Subaru? I have some friends up there, role-cage-road-trip?

LOL

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> because they think $2000 or whatever is too much
> to spend on a rollcage for their rally car. Can't
> afford that because they just bought some bitchin'
> new rims for their daily driver Evo X or STi or
> whatever. So the guy who is building the rollcage
> that might just save your life is supposed to take
> it in the shorts so you don't have to spend as
> much on your hobby?

I'm suggesting that $2000 is too much to spend on a roll cage?
I'm somehow less worthy to participate because I don't have ten large to drop on a hobby with zero payout?
I'm not supposed to have nice wheels on my daily driver?

Aw, c'mon. PLEEEEEEEEEZ! PLEEEZ CAN I HAVE NICE WHEELS (AND AND EVO OR STI TO SPORT THEM ON)?

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Brian Driggs | KG7KCA | PHX, AZ | 89 Pajero
alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

>
> shit...how about for a Subaru? I have some friends
> up there, role-cage-road-trip?
>
> LOL
>
>
>
425 463 5307 give me a call if your serious, I think we can make a deal.

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SteelSolutions Wrote:
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> > >
> > shit...how about for a Subaru? I have some
> friends
> > up there, role-cage-road-trip?
> >
> > LOL
> >
> >
> >
> 425 463 5307 give me a call if your serious, I
> think we can make a deal.
>
>
>
>
the plan is for later this year (for the cage)...a lot of it depends on my next couple commission checks, but yeah, between the cage and your rear sub mount...lets work something out beneficial for both of us.

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Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/