mellow65 Oliver Klozoff Infallible Moderator Location: Oregon Join Date: 09/10/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 480 Rally Car: Nada |
webbers, holly, edelbrock, i know there has to be some guys out there running them.
but how do they do? do they hold up to the hard life of rally? how about large altitude changes? are you rejeting based on what rally your running, or just running a good over all tune and leaving it. sure in a perfect world you could always run some sort of FI but lets say you can't or at least don't want to deal with the FI wiring. any input would be welcome. i'm just thinking out loud right now. "Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty" |
krisdahl Kris Dahl Junior Moderator Location: Issaquah, WA Join Date: 02/13/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 282 Rally Car: Integra, Civic |
We had pretty good luck with the Weber DGAV on the 510. Never really had a problem with it. Although I'm not sure if I could tell if it was 5-10hp down on elevation changes or not. Never had a problem starting anyway.
I personally would go with a megasquirt and call it a day though. Pretty simple installations. |
Tom B Tom B Infallible Moderator Location: Douche Canoe, WA Join Date: 02/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 780 Rally Car: VW Golf |
Bottles ran some DCOE's with alot of success
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david amor david amor Mega Moderator Location: Stoney Creek Ontario Join Date: 03/22/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 458 |
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Jon Burke Jon Burke Ultra Moderator Location: San Francisco, CA Join Date: 01/03/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,402 Rally Car: Subaru w/<1000 crashes |
david amor Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I think everyone a generation older than us will > have a good laugh at this thread. I don't even > know how a carb works > > "To do a dull thing with style-now that's what I > call art." > > > -Hank ditto, when I first read the title I was like.....breads and pastas for rally cars? Jon Burke - KI6LSW Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/ |
mellow65 Oliver Klozoff Infallible Moderator Location: Oregon Join Date: 09/10/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 480 Rally Car: Nada |
i just can't tune a carb to save my life. but sometimes FI wiring or tuning is more of a headache. i know how they work at least, but getting them dialed in is a dieing art form.
"Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty" |
derek Derek Bottles Super Moderator Location: Lopez Island/ Seattle WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 853 Rally Car: Past: 323, RX2, GTI. Next up M3 ? |
I liked my carbs, I often load up some in car video so I can listen to the sweet music of the twin Mukuni 44's wide open at 8500 RPM...
Other then the car being a cold blooded bitch when starting on a cold day I loved them. Starting was not helped by the 312 deg of cam duration either. Air was going both ways in the intake till you got the rpms up. I am sure if I hooked up the chokes that would have helped. Ran them up fairly high a few times and never noticed any change, I would likely jet them for stuff over 4 or 5,000 feet if was going to be up there for a full event but from 0 to 4,000 feet they appeared happy. Overall the carbs were rock solid, never gave me any problems. I also have a big ass Holly on my power boat, a tiny little something on an outboard or two and a genset and a fairly small little one on my wife's motorcycle, they are all fairly simple and reliable. I have never messed with current fuel infected stuff but a lot of people I know spend a lot of time wondering what some little bit of silicon is doing to keep the car from running right and do not have the test equipment to get to the bottom of the problem. When you pick a system spend the time to really understand it, read about it, learn it, know it. In the long run reality always wins. |
mack73 Jason Wine Elite Moderator Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: 02/20/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 448 Rally Car: Started a Golf... Never Finished It |
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turoc Ozgur Simsek Junior Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
mack73 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > I'm going with DCOE's for simplicity and a cheaper > way to get some better throttle response. > > Plus they just sound and look awesome > > > > 94 Golf > www.Mack73.com What will you run for ignition? rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!! |
Doivi Clarkinen Banned Junior Moderator Location: the end of the universe Join Date: 02/12/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,432 Rally Car: 1980 Opel Ascona B |
OMG, children! Do carburetors hold up to rally? Are they hard to tune? How do they work? What do they look like, I've never seen one before?
Seems to me they worked pretty good as they only really started to get replaced by F.I. at the top level (ie: WRC) by the early '80's. Yes, I realize that is before most of you were born. Just think of a carburetor as analog fuel injection, kind of. lol There is a little bit of a black art in jetting the things but with a simple A/F ratio meter, checking the color of the spark plugs, and some knowledge (read up) they ard pretty simple to tune. |
david amor david amor Mega Moderator Location: Stoney Creek Ontario Join Date: 03/22/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 458 |
Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > OMG, children! Do carburetors hold up to rally? > Are they hard to tune? How do they work? What do > they look like, I've never seen one before? > Seems to me they worked pretty good as they only > really started to get replaced by F.I. at the top > level (ie: WRC) by the early '80's. Yes, I > realize that is before most of you were born. > Just think of a carburetor as analog fuel > injection, kind of. lol > There is a little bit of a black art in jetting > the things but with a simple A/F ratio meter, > checking the color of the spark plugs, and some > knowledge (read up) they ard pretty simple to > tune. I tried running carbs but I couldn't find the USB port for my laptop!!! Gone fishing |
Ted Andkilde Ted Andkilde Professional Moderator Location: Windsor, ON, Canada Join Date: 04/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 329 Rally Car: 1968 Mini |
Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > OMG, children! Do carburetors hold up to rally? > Are they hard to tune? How do they work? What do > they look like, I've never seen one before? > Seems to me they worked pretty good as they only > really started to get replaced by F.I. at the top > level (ie: WRC) by the early '80's. Yes, I > realize that is before most of you were born. > Just think of a carburetor as analog fuel > injection, kind of. lol > There is a little bit of a black art in jetting > the things but with a simple A/F ratio meter, > checking the color of the spark plugs, and some > knowledge (read up) they ard pretty simple to > tune. Yeah, I would think that a wideband and a logging program on a palm or a laptop would go a long way towards removing the "black art" from carb tuning, and might give the kiddies some warm fuzzies as they're not abandoning all their shiny new technology ![]() There are lots of good books on tuning your chosen carb -- get a good one, or two and become intimate with why and how the circuits work and interact with each other. Dave's line, "analog fuel injection" is right on the money -- all you're doing is turning the fuel into an aerosol and mixing it with, hopefully, the right amount of air, no rocket surgery ![]() t Pure mathematics is the enemy of every truly creative man -- Sir Alec |
mack73 Jason Wine Elite Moderator Location: Seattle, WA Join Date: 02/20/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 448 Rally Car: Started a Golf... Never Finished It |
turoc Wrote:
> > What will you run for ignition? Electromotive XDI http://www.electromotive-inc.com/products/xdi.html crank trigger wasted spark. Oh and a wideband for easier tuning. -Jason |
sagsert Mustafa Samli Senior Moderator Location: Arizona Join Date: 01/10/2006 Age: Ancient Posts: 824 Rally Car: Gaylant VR4 |
Keep the fucking electronics out of carburetors for fuck sakes !!!
We were all born with basic carburetor tuning tools, brain, nose, eyes and ears ! I love my twin DGVs because I am a cheap bastard and don't wanna buy tripple DCOEs or IDFs.....just yet. Cheers M.Samli Phoenix AZ Gaylant VR4 EVO III GSR (Stolen) Rallies are no place for traitors |
mellow65 Oliver Klozoff Infallible Moderator Location: Oregon Join Date: 09/10/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 480 Rally Car: Nada |
Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > OMG, children! Do carburetors hold up to rally? > Are they hard to tune? How do they work? What do > they look like, I've never seen one before? > Seems to me they worked pretty good as they only > really started to get replaced by F.I. at the top > level (ie: WRC) by the early '80's. Yes, I > realize that is before most of you were born. > Just think of a carburetor as analog fuel > injection, kind of. lol > There is a little bit of a black art in jetting > the things but with a simple A/F ratio meter, > checking the color of the spark plugs, and some > knowledge (read up) they ard pretty simple to > tune. i know they had them before FI but were they having to fuck with them after each rally or were they solid pieces of equipment. you have some fragile things in carbs, float bowls other small little springs and other doodads. i guess my question was more how well do they take the abuse of rally. "Rally racing makes a heroin addiction look like a vague craving for something salty" |