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Andrew Frick
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Re: Battery Cut-Off Wiring?
March 05, 2009 12:12PM
mack73 Wrote:
>
> Well not really. The risk is the same if the
> switch was on the + or -
>
> Since the voltage needs to flow in a circle,
> disrupting the path at any point (before or after
> the device) will result in the same event
> (electrons can't get from the + post on the
> battery to the - post on the battery). The only
> difference is where the electrons are held up: at
> the + switch or you guessed it, at the - switch.
>
>
>
> So in your example: if switching positive, but the
> battery were to flop around and the + post or the
> wire leading from the battery to the master switch
> came in contact with the body = sparks of fun.
>
> If the switch was on the negative and the battery
> were to flop around and the - post or the wire
> leading from the ground switch to the battery came
> in contact with the body = sparks of fun.
>
> I understand what your getting at but if the -
> battery cable was removed from the battery and you
> touched a positive cable from the battery to the
> car, you don't get any sparks do you?
>
> So which battery cable do you take off first when
> removing a battery
>
> 94 Golf
> www.Mack73.com
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Mar 3, 2009 by
> mack73.


This is wrong. Electrons flow from the negative terminal of the battery to the positive terminal on the battery. Electrons are negatively charged. The reason the positive sparks is that steel and may other materials for that matter have lots of extra or weakly retained electrons that are basically getting sucked out of the material by the positive source. Causing the spark to jump from the negative to the positive.

The reason the negative does not spark is that both sides have plenty of electrons so there is nothing that is motivating them to start flowing.

You are right in my setup if that battery flops around there will be sparks to the battery or the lead that goes to the switch from whatever started touching it. But the sparks will be limited to the battery and cable that comes form the lead since the switch is preventing the rest of the system from seeing the + attraction of the battery.

In the switched negative situation if the battery flops around. You can now get sparks in every circuit since the + is trying to pull electrons from everywhere. So all circuits could have electrons flowing down them and thus the whole harness becomes a fire hazard.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2009 12:16PM by Andrew_Frick.
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Re: Battery Cut-Off Wiring?
March 05, 2009 12:18PM
Easy solution, secure your battery well. smiling smiley



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Re: Battery Cut-Off Wiring?
March 05, 2009 02:19PM
Andrew_Frick Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is wrong.
> Andrew_Frick.


Yes correct - I wrote that line backwards - Doh.

So reverse this statement "(electrons can't get from the + post on the
> battery to the - post on the battery). "

To "electrons Can't get from the - post on the battery to the + post on the battery."

However, the rest remains true.

> In the switched negative situation if the battery
> flops around. You can now get sparks in every
> circuit since the + is trying to pull electrons
> from everywhere. So all circuits could have
> electrons flowing down them and thus the whole
> harness becomes a fire hazard.
>

This does finally make some sense in why everyone says switch the Positive.



-Jason



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2009 03:06PM by mack73.
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Re: Battery Cut-Off Wiring?
March 07, 2009 10:01AM
I have that breaker on my car on + side. My batt is in the stock location and the breaker is mounted to a strut tower bar and is above the intake manifold. Have not had any problems w/ it. They are very common on trucks, buses, rvs.

better information..
http://www.bussmann.com/pdf/15e0468b-2837-4360-aeb8-6d391d3f173b.pdf

they also make nice master switches. I have a master switch in the center of the dash for an emergency shut off. It can be reach from either side of the car.
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Re: Battery Cut-Off Wiring?
April 21, 2009 05:40PM
Heres an example that might help of a Positive side switch setup
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