Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> How big is this thing? Could you put it in the
> engine bay? In front or behind one of the strut
> towers, over the inner fender?
>
> Feisty Peacock?


Its the biggest one they make so no real chance of it going anyplace but the trunk.

How big a diameter line do you plan to use? It will be long and will consequently have more pressure drop than relatively short lines in the engine compartment. Seems like maybe 3/4" or 5/8; ID line minimu would be a good idea.(O yeah, I suppose you could use a separate inline valve rather than directly on the tack to achieve the pre-start oiling....)

I personally think you made a good move.

Regards,
Mark B.

starion887 Wrote:
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> How big a diameter line do you plan to use? It
> will be long and will consequently have more
> pressure drop than relatively short lines in the
> engine compartment. Seems like maybe 3/4" or 5/8;
> ID line minimu would be a good idea.(O yeah, I
> suppose you could use a separate inline valve
> rather than directly on the tack to achieve the
> pre-start oiling....)
>
> I personally think you made a good move.
>
> Regards,
> Mark B.


10an line is what I went with, along with the biggest Accusump unit.

I was going to use a push-pull style cable to remote mount for the Civic. We're using a 1qt, which is smaller in length and diameter to the 3qt one he's using.

The electric valve they have is kinda lame--it uses a diaphragm such that it dumps quickly but refills slowly. Why they haven't just mounted an electric servo onto the $10 ball valve that they recommend for 'racing' is beyond me.

Final location of the accusump

Damn that thing is a monster.

Not for rally? awwww. What's it for then?

Time Attack I think, which is basically Solo I but with more hype.

Its what all the cool kids are into these days.

At least it isn't drifting or drag racing!

-k

Could someone educate me on the problem that the accusump solves?

I am a bit skeptical as I have been meesing with motors for 3 decades now with out this thing and never had any problems.

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In the long run reality always wins.

derek Wrote:
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> Could someone educate me on the problem that the
> accusump solves?
>
> I am a bit skeptical as I have been meesing with
> motors for 3 decades now with out this thing and
> never had any problems.



Derek,


teeeee heeeee.

Thank you.
I personally think it's one of the wankiest POS glided lily wany wank products out there.

But then again what do I know?

At the show car and slower levels of amateur competition, they sure are popular.


Maybe serious teams have just not caught on yet, yeah! That's it!
The high buget WRC and BTCC teams are so busy spending money on strong gearboxes with zing zing zing ratios and meticulously prepping chassis that they simply overlook these thing!

That's the ticket....yeah...
>
> See me go at:
> www.11tenths.com
> In the long run Reality always wins.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

The old trap doors in the oil pan trick works really well. My guess is that when you have mega bucks invested in an engine the accumulator gives you some piece of minde. After seeing a Subaru crankshaft and it's ridiculously narow bearings, I might also think about an accusump. The thing to remember about this car is that it is being built as a fun, driveable show car. It will not be a trailer queen but it is not being built to any specific rule set.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

Really the accsusump is for added security, the difference you have to remember is on tarmac these cars are capable to pulling some serious G's through corners that can in some instances cause the pickup to pull air. Now combine that on corner exit when your 700hp motor is spinning at 8000 RPM not being able to keep that 80psi of oil pressure could lead to smoked bearings. For the price of doing an expensive dry sump, or even less expensive higher capacity oil pan that interferes with just about all the quality header systems the accusump was the easy choice. Now you could just mount it in the passenger floor board and not have the fancy electric switches and valves but if you want to use the car for more than racing that solution is not going to work, thus why I mounted it out of the way.

It’s interesting to hear about trap doors in the oil pans, another reason why I joined the forum, lots of great ideas. However I’m not in the position to test this out on MY built engine, I’m just going with something that’s proven to work in my application.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> derek Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Could someone educate me on the problem that
> the
> > accusump solves?
> >
> > I am a bit skeptical as I have been meesing
> with
> > motors for 3 decades now with out this thing
> and
> > never had any problems.
>
>
>
> Derek,
>
>
> teeeee heeeee.
>
> Thank you.
> I personally think it's one of the wankiest POS
> glided lily wany wank products out there.
>
> But then again what do I know?
>
> At the show car and slower levels of amateur
> competition, they sure are popular.
>
>
> Maybe serious teams have just not caught on yet,
> yeah! That's it!
> The high buget WRC and BTCC teams are so busy
> spending money on strong gearboxes with zing zing
> zing ratios and meticulously prepping chassis that
> they simply overlook these thing!
>
> That's the ticket....yeah...
> >
> > See me go at:
> > www.11tenths.com
> > In the long run Reality always wins.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca


Respectively, John I have to disagree with you. Plenty of very fast competitors use the accusump units, if you are referring to the limited number of rally teams in the US then I agree you may not see them as often. I’ve spent some time on the show car circuits and haven’t seen a single accusump, does not mean they are not out there but, they just don’t seem to be a big ticket for a show car.

Now my car may not be a full blown race car, however that was never the goal, it was to build a “turn key” track car (tarmac) one you can drive to the track, do a lapping day, and drive it back no matter if the track day was in CA or TX. I’d like to refrain from describing the car as “show car” because that instantly dumbs down any engineering or design put into the project and really limits people’s views to the car being built just to look at, one would like people to admire the hard work put into it, but that’s not the focus.

The focus is the cars ability to perform.

token-negro Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > derek Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Could someone educate me on the problem
> that
> > the
> > > accusump solves?
> > >
> > > I am a bit skeptical as I have been
> meesing
> > with
> > > motors for 3 decades now with out this
> thing
> > and
> > > never had any problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > Derek,
> >
> >
> > teeeee heeeee.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I personally think it's one of the wankiest
> POS
> > glided lily wany wank products out there.
> >
> > But then again what do I know?
> >
> > At the show car and slower levels of amateur
> > competition, they sure are popular.
> >
> >
> > Maybe serious teams have just not caught on
> yet,
> > yeah! That's it!
> > The high buget WRC and BTCC teams are so
> busy
> > spending money on strong gearboxes with zing
> zing
> > zing ratios and meticulously prepping chassis
> that
> > they simply overlook these thing!
> >
> > That's the ticket....yeah...
> > >
> > > See me go at:
> > > www.11tenths.com
> > > In the long run Reality always wins.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
>
> Respectively, John I have to disagree with you.
> Plenty of very fast competitors use the accusump
> units, if you are referring to the limited number
> of rally teams in the US then I agree you may not
> see them as often. I’ve spent some time on the
> show car circuits and haven’t seen a single
> accusump, does not mean they are not out there
> but, they just don’t seem to be a big ticket for a
> show car.
>
> Now my car may not be a full blown race car,
> however that was never the goal, it was to build a
> “turn key” track car (tarmac) one you can drive to
> the track, do a lapping day, and drive it back no
> matter if the track day was in CA or TX. I’d like
> to refrain from describing the car as “show car”
> because that instantly dumbs down any engineering
> or design put into the project and really limits
> people’s views to the car being built just to look
> at, one would like people to admire the hard work
> put into it, but that’s not the focus.
>
> The focus is the cars ability to perform.

Kendrick, man, I never refer to any car motorsports in the USA as the only one with any depth of competition is circle track and maybe drag.
If I make reference to higher end cars in is ONE PLACE: Europe, and generally where i have more experience, Northern Europe.

And relax I wasn't dissing your car, I was honestly commenting that the only place I routinely see these accusump things is on show ---and 99.99538% of North American roadracing and fersure conesquishing is just for show--- type cars.

I have never seen them on club or National level rally or race cars elsewhere.

And they drive hard too.
>
>

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Well i guess if 99.99538% of NA Roadracing and AutoX/time trials is for show then, your right. ITs for a show car then. They are the poor mans dry sump If you have enough $$$ to dry sump of some sort then no reason for one of these little guys.