krisdahl Kris Dahl Godlike Moderator Location: Issaquah, WA Join Date: 02/13/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 282 Rally Car: Integra, Civic |
John,
>The high buget WRC and BTCC teams are so busy spending money on strong > gearboxes with zing zing zing ratios and meticulously prepping chassis that > they simply overlook these thing! You're dead wrong. BTCC cars all now run accusumps since the rule changes a few years ago banned dry sumps. I seem to recall a top team (Halfords I think) have stated that without the Accusumps they wouldn't even be able to make a motor last a race. Not as good as a dry sump, but better than nothing. I believe the article was in Race Car Engineering, sometime in 2006. Realtime Acura and a lot of the Speed World Challange cars run them too. Show up at a professional road race and you'll seem 'em. The reason we don't see them in rally is because we don't generate sustained sideways g-forces. |
Dazed_Driver Banned Professional Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
krisdahl Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > John, > > >The high buget WRC and BTCC teams are so busy > spending money on strong > > gearboxes with zing zing zing ratios and > meticulously prepping chassis that > > they simply overlook these thing! > > You're dead wrong. > > BTCC cars all now run accusumps since the rule > changes a few years ago banned dry sumps. I seem > to recall a top team (Halfords I think) have > stated that without the Accusumps they wouldn't > even be able to make a motor last a race. Not as > good as a dry sump, but better than nothing. I > believe the article was in Race Car Engineering, > sometime in 2006. > > Realtime Acura and a lot of the Speed World > Challange cars run them too. Show up at a > professional road race and you'll seem 'em. > > The reason we don't see them in rally is because > we don't generate sustained sideways g-forces. Ok point taken. last time I (last time? ONLY time I looked at any asphalt racing was mid 90s BTCC. Back when it was interesting) > > John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Lets put an end to all of this mis information about where to mount the Accusump or what the Accusump does.
I will clear it all up as We make the Accusump and use it on a variety of race cars throughout the planet. With that being said, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Nick Ansaldi, I am the Tech Manager/Customer Servicem manager of Canton Racing Products who manufactures the Accusump. To answer the question about if the Accusump can be mounted in the passenger cabin? YES. It can be mounted virtually anywhere. To the user who had one fail, Either the unit was taken apart by someone who is not capable of doing so, or the mounting clamps that we specify must be mounted over the end caps, were not in the correct location. I have yet to see an Accusump fail or explode period. In the instruction manual, we state the accusump can be mounted virtually anywhere. Now, onto the gentleman who stated that the Accusump is a show piece and after 30 years of engine building, he doesn't understand how it works. I will try to explain this as simple as possible. If you are on the course and you hit a serious corner or a jump, your oil is going to bounce around that pan and potentially uncover the oil pump pickup. When you uncover the pickup, the oil pressure is going to drop. It may drop a little bit sometimes but other times it could drop drastically. While running WOT, the last thing you want is a severe oil pressure drop. This is where the Accusump proves it's worth. Say you have an Accusump installed with our 35-40 PSI EPC valve. The engine's WOT oil pressure is 70PSI. You get into a high G load corner and your oil pressure drops to 30PSI at WOT. At that point, your engine is subject to excessive bearing wear due to oil loss. If the EPC is installed, the pressure switch will sense a pressure drop and the very second that pressure gets under 40psi, the accusump will discharge oil directly into the mains to maintain adequate oil to the bearings until the pump can regain it's flow and get back on track. Without an accusump, you are more likely to burn out a bearing or have some type of oiling failure. Basically in a nutshell, the Accusump is an insurance policy for the engine as it will store oil in it until the oil is needed and when the oil is needed, the accusump's priority is to get oil to your mains so you prevent damage. I have racers in EVERY type of racing known to man and 99% of those racers have sustained the life of their engines due to the Accusump. If anyone has questions or anything please do not hesitate to call me at 203-481-9460. Also anyone looking for additional information please check out our website at www.accusump.com or www.cantonracingproducts.com Thank You Nick Ansaldi |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Nick. Absurd exaggerations makes you look silly.
We all know how your products work. We differ on the need for it in the type of motorsport this place is about with the relatively low stress and extremely low spec builds.., and mainly broke ass people here. Huge papagraphs of standard ad-copy boilerplate really doesn't help anybody. Many many many don't even have oil temp gauges, much less decent oil cooling here so it is a question for the majority here of FIRST THINGS FIRST. Thank you. Bye. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Ultra Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
whats the rule about oil being in the cabin? So technically, no i can not be in the cabin due to the rules.
Per RA Any line containing engine coolant or lubricating oil must be outside the cockpit, with the exception of any OE line and engine coolant lines used solely for the purpose of cockpit heating or windshield defrosting First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
I was answering his question as far as what it solves.
I certainly didnt make any absurd exagerations. I was simply trying to put a rest to misinformation and make sure everyone was aware of how the product works and ETC. Not make a huge paragraph of "Ad-copy Boilerplate"? When it comes to engine failures im pretty sure noone on this board wants them and would do anything they can to prevent one. That is why a majority of racers choose to use one. If you do not like that product and feel you have no use for it that is your choice but please do not misgude others and slander the product by calling it the "wankiest POS glided lily wany wank products out there" If that was the case the product would not be as popular as it is after 35 years of being on the market. Once again I apologize if I offended anyone and i am only here to help. Nick |
phlat65 Sean Medcroft Super Moderator Location: Edmonds, Washington Join Date: 02/12/2009 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,802 Rally Car: Building a Merkur |
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Super Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
Maybe not right now but just wait til we get some real WRC studded snow tires at SnoDrift! I hear they might allow them last year. Grant Hughes |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Actually you're here because that's you job. You're all over all kinds of forums showing the flag for your employers. Nothing wrong with that, but ! We all know how it works. This forum is all about club level gravel rally in USA and Canada. There's a lot of guys of all levels of experience here including some who have been involved for over 35 years or like me only since 1984. Some are local in the extreme, some have been in other parts of the world with their nose in gravel rally cars in places such as England and Sweden, of course USA and Canada but even to China--specifically on rally engines supplying parts and advice. You know how many cars of the hundreds of cars I have seen doing gravel rally since 1984 in USA, Canada, UK, Sweden, China, and for business via mail Norway and Finland using your Accu-sump? ZERO. They all survived somehow. Again READ: I cannot convince guys to use oil temp gauges and good oil pressure gauges and adequate oil coolers---unless I physically put those in their hands.... So aside from the rules forbidding oil containers "or any inflammable fluid"-- which has been interpreted by our superiors as including water--- inside the cabin, there is no NEED and NO DEMAND in this context. Thus it is an expensive product looking for a problem to solve---or in ordinary daily speech "a wanky thang". Sure lots of "road racers" buy it but they are, be definition, wankers, so it is ideal for them. I don't know you, I don't know if you build engines or race of if you are just a guy doing his job typing and talking....so I must presume you don't do either of those things. Thus I find it a little disconcerting to be lectured by---as far as I know---a paid shill. Sorry. BYE! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Lessee....No problems with Accusump for me, except for the safety of being in the passenger compartment. Wrecking in a remote stage, with the soonest assistance 1 minute away (if they see you and stop as they should), and having oil in the passenger compartment while inverted in a ditch and trying to get out is not a good idea. No course workers like in track racing to help.....
But as a simple alternative......run full synthertic oil. We cracked a turbo oil line 4 miles into a 10 miles stage. Started losing oil pressure at mile 6. No oil pressure at mile 8. THEN I slowed down to about 3/4 speed and finished the last 2 miles of the stage. Fixed crack, begged fresh oil from others, went on. Pulled engine apart after event: perfect bearings all around, oil pump and cam beautiful, pistons perfect, nothing wrong. Was running about 225 HP in a 2.6L Mitsu. Use full Mobil 1 and don't sweat it. Mark B. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yep. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Jay Jay Woodward Ultra Moderator Location: Snohomish, WA Join Date: 12/21/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 893 Rally Car: '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege |
Oh yah? mobil1 didn't save my engine from further damage when WE lost oilpressure 10 sec into stage 1!
... .. Though of course the reason we lost oilpressure was cuzza that conrod that got bored and took a peek at the outside world... but yeah for sure use the good stuff. I'm still running the turbo that was along for that ride, it survived the whole no-oil-pressure thing just fine. I'm thinking about the smallest accusump just for oilpressure before the engine cranks over. I bet more wear happens then, specially on an engine what don't get run frequently, than almost any other time. Jay Woodward Snohomish, WA '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege Chronologically, 46... |
Yeah, your case of oil pressure loss is a wee bit different.....! Mobil 1 or Accusump won't fix that! Good deal on the turbo surviving; not surprised.
As for start up wear, yes, that's a consideration. But, I have been running a variety of cars on steady diets of Mobil 1 for almost 35 years; any engine that is run that way, in my experience, shows phenomenally low engine wear. The film left by full synthetic is far better than non-synthetics. I would like to hear some real-life racer experience of how well an Accusump seal holds oil pressure for 3-6 months of sitting.... |
To be quite honest, i am not on many forums at all. And the ones i am on are ones i use for my own personal use. Not through the company in which i work for. I do build engines. I build engines and cars on a daily basis as when i leave here for the day i go to my shop and build cars until the wee hours of the night 7 days a week. So no, You are not talking to a "paid shill" I represent the product in my own personal ways not just for my company. It is a product that i have stood by for years because i have seen it work. Now i understand your types of vehicles may not need something like this but i was just simply stating that it is a supreme product if you would be inclined to use it. |
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