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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 01:36PM

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I guarantee it affects at least one. The one that asked about doing it, or was already doing it and someone didn't like it so decided it should be illegal.
When I'm really on it, my oil temps get over 200 and 40-60 psi oil pressure. That will spray hard and fast and loads of volume pretty quickly I'd imagine.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 01:38PM

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Somebody should start sending all these what if questions that relate to rally to mythbusters.
Is oil lines running in the cockpit a real threat to drivers?
Will a split style door bar break and fatally impale a leg severing the femoral artery? Does a V-style provide more or less protection in a direct side impact?

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 01:56PM

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They'd totally do it too, haha

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 02:55PM

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heymagic Wrote:
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> Tom B Wrote:
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> any
> > different from a fuel line...doesn't brake
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> Not talking about brake fluid. Engine coolant and
> oil lines. Huge diference in volume of potential
> scalding liquids, not to mention flamable.
>
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>

Yeah, but isn't fuel flammable? Plus there is more fuel in the car than there is any other liquid (at least at the start of the rally.) What about dry sump cars with the oil tank in the trunk? Leon's Mk2 Escort was like this (very common on those) and the old Audi Quattro Group B cars did the same thing. So you're supposed to run the oil lines under the floor to get torn off by rocks if you have a dry sump? Forget that... There must be an approved way to do it inside the car.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 02:57PM

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Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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> You also need an oxygen source. So if you were
> rallying in a vacuum would be a lot less
> flammable.
>
> I don't get why people are bent out of shape about
> this rule. How many rally cars does this really
> affect? Maybe the super awesome benching racing
> one that no one has built?

Well, for an example here in the U.S. this does affect Leon Styles old Escort Mk.2 which I believe is now in the hands of Seamus Burke.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 03:26PM

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The constant arbitrary, cover all rule changes are what pisses me off. This should be a case by case decision. If something is insane and extremely dangerous it should be changed, but if it is well thought out and the liklihood of damage is very low without a catastrophic event then it shouldn't need to be changed.

No, it doesn't affect me, but when are they going to require more and more bullshit to price me out of rally, I am already nearly priced out.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 05:34PM

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Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
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> Well, for an example here in the U.S. this does
> affect Leon Styles old Escort Mk.2 which I believe
> is now in the hands of Seamus Burke.

Yes due to the dry sump tank being in the boot and the nice fat Aeroquip lines running up to the motor BUT!

The shell is in Seamus' hands.
The last I heard the plans was to drop in some wicked built HONDA motor and who knows if it'll be dry sumped.
The nice normal aspirataed Cosworth YB motor which I built is up in fawkin Bawstin in the hands of a Irish fellow and is in a nice MkII, and I am still looking at this UNPAID BILL to Leon Styles for the price of the core motor which Leon never paid, and now never picks up the phone of returns email.

Such a shame I let the thing go with an unpaid portion of the bill, but who knew Leon would just shit all over me and ignore paying for the core motor.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 06:15PM

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I'll bet a clever guy could build a tunnel or false floor for lines to run thru. As mentioned above this rule really affects no one we actually know running a car, and if it did they could certainly talk with Hurst for options.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 08:10PM

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Yeah, couldnt you just run like a 2.5 in ID thinwall tube and run the out/in dry sump lines? I know if defeats the point of complaint, but wouldnt that work?

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Re: Fluid lines
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Or you could just run like AN-16 fuel lines and AN-8 oil lines inside of the fuel line. How you get it in and out of the fuel line is up to you to figure out. I think cutting the line near the end and snake the AN-8 out then JB weld it closed would probably work just fine. Maybe a little silicone just to be safe too.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 16, 2009 09:30PM

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I think VW Beetles (real ones) often have large oil tanks mounted inside the cabin.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 17, 2009 01:05AM

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heymagic Wrote:
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> and if it did they could
> certainly talk with Hurst for options.

Something that has tried to be done even by licensed scrutineers....fit the status quot or face rejection.

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Re: Fluid lines
June 17, 2009 06:40AM

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heymagic Wrote:
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> I'll bet a clever guy could build a tunnel or
> false floor for lines to run thru. As mentioned
> above this rule really affects no one we actually
> know running a car, and if it did they could
> certainly talk with Hurst for options.

Shouldn't have to, seeing as how dry sumps, Accusumps, oil lines in the cockpit are allowed in just about all other forms of auto racing and even rallying in other countries. Proper safe installations, of course.
RA is the only sanctioning body I've run across that considers water a flammable liquid...

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Re: Fluid lines
June 17, 2009 06:44AM

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Yeah, couldnt you just run like a 2.5 in ID
> thinwall tube and run the out/in dry sump lines? I
> know if defeats the point of complaint, but
> wouldnt that work?
>
>

Work for what? Now you got the oil running inside a tube inside a tube. Why not run it inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube inside a tube? Wouldn't that be better? Better for what? Where does it end? What does it accomplish?

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Re: Fluid lines
June 17, 2009 07:31AM

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Think this would be enough layers?

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