that i should know the answer too...but it's monday

If i'm replumbing brake lines, and using t-fittings.

Should i try and keep the "branches" of the t's as equal in length as possible? Or does it matter?

the OEM routing has got the left front with about 24" of tube, while the right front has 6 feet.

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Chris



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/20/2009 12:28PM by Do It Sidewayz.

Doesnt matter.

Do It Sidewayz Wrote:
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> that i should know the answer too...but it's
> monday
>
> If i'm replumbing brake lines, and using
> t-fittings.
>
> Should i try and keep the "branches" of the t's as
> equal in length as possible? Or does it matter?
>
> the OEM routing has got the left front with about
> 24" of tube, while the right front has 6 feet.
>
>
>
> Chris

Don't matter, hydraulics is about unit pressure, and that's the miracle of it. Pressure is same units evereywhere it could be 1000 miles long.
Or not, pressure same on the working end and for that matter inside the pipe.

it's just at the working end we turn the pressure into work, or movement.
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at Jul 20, 2009 by Do It
> Sidewayz.

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that's what i thought...but as i said.. it's monday...and drank too much by the lake at the cottage this weekend

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Chris

Just make sure you use as much hardline as possible.

It's going to mate up to the OEM length flex-lines...which have been replaced with Stainless lines.

Just need to replumb stuff because of the Hydraulic Handbrake.

Finally getting rid of the stupid Hill Holder which has been serving as a "union" for the past 2 years, and putting the bigger master cylinder on it.



I'm not affraid to bend up some tube, and flare the ends.

Plus hardline is like $0.85 a foot

fancy pants flex line is how much?!?!

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Chris

Do It Sidewayz Wrote:
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> It's going to mate up to the OEM length
> flex-lines...which have been replaced with
> Stainless lines.
>
> Just need to replumb stuff because of the
> Hydraulic Handbrake.
>
> Finally getting rid of the stupid Hill Holder
> which has been serving as a "union" for the past 2
> years, and putting the bigger master cylinder on
> it.
>
>
>
> I'm not affraid to bend up some tube, and flare
> the ends.
>
> Plus hardline is like $0.85 a foot
>
> fancy pants flex line is how much?!?!
>
> Chris


Ok good, I've seen some real dumb ideas of running braided stuff and even dumber when they run -4.

I run -3 teflon braided in my entire system.
I've seen hard lines break and get beat up, especially near the handbrake areas.

But yes, it is more expensive for sure, but really easy to work with and way easier to do the whole car.

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Grant Hughes

The reasoning behind it is compliance in the lines. They flex and expand when you press on the pedal, causing it to feel weird, and I suppose it probably takes some pressure away from the calipers, too.

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

I'm sure if you were using some weird line or rubber you'd get flex in the line.
My brakes feel rock solid with teflon braided lines throughout.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> I'm sure if you were using some weird line or
> rubber you'd get flex in the line.
> My brakes feel rock solid with teflon braided
> lines throughout.

Mine are rock solid with the STEEL TUBE and cost maybe $18 to plumb.

Always do things for advantage, and I can't imagine what advantage to you by running Aeroquip all over the place.
I sure can see an advantage to the guy you bought it from!
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

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Wow. I must have been getting really ripped off for the hard fittings I did buy because mine came to way way more than $18. I was going to do all hard fittings, then watched a friend plumbing his and having a little of a pain in the ass and having to spend time doing all this crap with getting the flaring right etc. Around the same time I saw one of the top US Group N cars and they'd done all braided because it was easier. I'd already made all my own braided lines so I already new how easy it was.
Just looked, the hard line was 33.70 for 20 ft of 3/16" from Summit.
I spent around $115 total on fittings for hard lines and around $400 for soft lines and the soft line. So we can say it was about 2.5-3 times the cost, but a differential I was willing to pay personally.
I spent a total of $2845.70 on my entire brake system, including a few items that ended up being waste. I've traded most of that waste and gotten more value than I paid for them more often than not.

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Grant Hughes

it is a myth that not using hard lines gives you a soft pedal. maybe it was true 50 years ago, but not with the braided lines of today. if you have a soft pedal its because you suck at bleeding.

and John, you don't have to use aeroquip, you can use cheap ass parker fittings.

DirkaDirkaJack Wrote:
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> it is a myth that not using hard lines gives you a
> soft pedal. maybe it was true 50 years ago, but
> not with the braided lines of today. if you have a
> soft pedal its because you suck at bleeding.
>
> and John, you don't have to use aeroquip, you can
> use cheap ass parker fittings.

Well duh.
Parker-Hanifin, Weatherhead whatever. I was commenting about the cost, approx 20 times as much just for the HOSE, vs 3/16 steel tube at Schucks, or Auto Zoo.

Just becuase somebody else pee pee'd awy hundreds and hundreds of dollars isn't a reason to suggest iothers should be equally profligate when there is no know advantage to using flexible aero-quip/earls/whatever teflon stainless braided STYLE hose to connect fixed pars.
The master cylinders are fixed, the handbrake master ain't moving, the bulkhead unions where the flex hoses affix arent moving, so I fail to grasp why I need flexible hose---of any sort---running between fixed parts and positions.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> DirkaDirkaJack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > it is a myth that not using hard lines gives
> you a
> > soft pedal. maybe it was true 50 years ago,
> but
> > not with the braided lines of today. if you
> have a
> > soft pedal its because you suck at bleeding.
> >
> > and John, you don't have to use aeroquip, you
> can
> > use cheap ass parker fittings.
>
> Well duh.
> Parker-Hanifin, Weatherhead whatever. I was
> commenting about the cost, approx 20 times as much
> just for the HOSE, vs 3/16 steel tube at Schucks,
> or Auto Zoo.
>
> Just becuase somebody else pee pee'd awy hundreds
> and hundreds of dollars isn't a reason to suggest
> iothers should be equally profligate when there is
> no know advantage to using flexible
> aero-quip/earls/whatever teflon stainless braided
> STYLE hose to connect fixed pars.
> The master cylinders are fixed, the handbrake
> master ain't moving, the bulkhead unions where the
> flex hoses affix arent moving, so I fail to grasp
> why I need flexible hose---of any sort---running
> between fixed parts and positions.
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

Wow.

I fully agree with you. hahah

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