FIA scruitinized 2 box fuel cell without barrier???!!!

Not legal according to what Hurst told Lurch...look around post 5 or so.

http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,20927,21039#msg-21039

Yeah!!! There it is.
And yes, US tech director says this is not allowed.
I'm just pointing out that in other countries, nay, in a WRC event, possibly the biggest WRC event, this is likely what we are seeing on that car and it appears to pass tech by the FIA.

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Grant Hughes

Good find Grant!

Mike's argument to me about why a second sleeve covering a remote fill hose just doesn't hold water. In fact Mike's definition of fire proof is illogical. I think that this portion of the rule book is in dire need of review.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

We have all seen cars run RA nationals, as well as elsewhere that did NOT meet this Horse-Shit rule.

Typical RA.

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Ted Mendham
www.rensport.net

I thought the 2011 requirement was going to be encasing all fuel containers in 18" of steel reinforced concrete.

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

fiasco Wrote:
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> I thought the 2011 requirement was going to be
> encasing all fuel containers in 18" of steel
> reinforced concrete.
>
> Andrew Steere
> Lyndeborough, NH
> KB1PJY


No, I've gone over this before, please try to pay attention. In 2011 drivers will not be allowed inside the vehicle at all. You will have to drive your car by radio control while sitting in the grandstands of a closed course. In 2012 you will not even need a car at all (unless you want to build one for the fun of it and park it in your garage.) You will send in your entry information and fee via email (direct deposit or Paypal accepted) and the day after the rally date RA will email everyone the results.

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
> the day after the rally date RA will
> email everyone the results.
>

Come on Dave they already have "live" scoring. I don't see why that system cannot carry over to 2012. Everyone will just keep hitting refresh on their browsers from the comfort of their homes to see how they are doing in the event.

Andrew_Frick Wrote:
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>
> Come on Dave they already have "live" scoring. I
> don't see why that system cannot carry over to
> 2012. Everyone will just keep hitting refresh on
> their browsers from the comfort of their homes to
> see how they are doing in the event.
>
>

And then people will complain that the subaru team can afford better office chairs and computers than everyone else. How is that fair!?

fiasco Wrote:
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> I thought the 2011 requirement was going to be
> encasing all fuel containers in 18" of steel
> reinforced concrete.
>
> Andrew Steere
> Lyndeborough, NH
> KB1PJY


Concrete is porous...

just saying....

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Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> fiasco Wrote:
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> --
>
> Concrete is porous...
>
> just saying....
>
> Feisty Peacock?
>
>
No it's not.
They couldn't have concrete ships and barges if it was, or big fawking dams made of concrete.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> No it's not.
> They couldn't have concrete ships and barges if it
> was, or big fawking dams made of concrete.


Yes it is.
That's why they have bilge pumps, basements are dank, and beer soaks into your unpainted garage floor.

It's slow and minor, but concrete is porous. Like a very tight sponge. Concrete tanks are lined with "something" suitable to it's purpose. Epoxy, rubber, a thin steel tank inside.... etc. etc. Otherwise the surface of a filled tank would be slightly damp all the time unless conditions are right for evaporation.

Personally, I'd rather see most rule books encased in concrete.


Happy New Year!!!

Rich Smith Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No it's not.
> > They couldn't have concrete ships and barges
> if it
> > was, or big fawking dams made of concrete.
>
>
> Yes it is.
> That's why they have bilge pumps, basements are
> dank, and beer soaks into your unpainted garage
> floor.
>
> It's slow and minor, but concrete is porous. Like
> a very tight sponge. Concrete tanks are lined with
> "something" suitable to it's purpose. Epoxy,
> rubber, a thin steel tank inside.... etc. etc.
> Otherwise the surface of a filled tank would be
> slightly damp all the time unless conditions are
> right for evaporation.
>
> Personally, I'd rather see most rule books encased
> in concrete.
>
>
> Happy New Year!!!
>
>
>
>


thanks

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So who's the aluminum box fabrication specialist?

I was thinking a bottomless box with an upper flange similar to this...
http://markm330.fatcow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/3pcbox/rP1010052.JPG

Weld the bottom of the box to my fuel cell can. Grommets for the feed, return, and vent line coming out. Lid is held on with 4-6 Dzus fittings and has a gasket for filling fuel. Seems to me to be the easiest and quickest option. Could be done in steel or aluminium fairly easy depending upon fuel cell box.

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Grant Hughes

There will be a lot less drop from your sheet of material if you make a channel piece for the center and two ends. That way there are no deep box bends and all the parts are rectangles without any deep corner notches. If you post up the dimensions you want and the material thickness I can make you a flat pattern easily.

-Tim

I realized that what I was talking about is actually really simple to make since it's a 'bottomless' box more or less.
Figure the fill plate is 10X6. So make the box 12X8 with height of 6" and flange of 1/2-1". The lid thus will be a 12X8 flat piece. So you need an 8" wide piece of 18 gauge or so thickness aluminium or steel that is about 54" in length to build the box. Hole saw out for the grommets and you're done.

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Grant Hughes